At last a straight answer
So - what have the Romans ever done for us?
Is Christmas for Pagans?
by LittleToe 66 Replies latest jw friends
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greendawn
It's hard to tell if you are not a pagan it depends how fastidious they are, if they have the puritan style JW attitude they will object.
Though xmas has a lot of pagan origin elements it is entirely Christian in spirit. -
Narkissos
Nun komm, der Heiden Heiland
(Come now Saviour of the Heathen)
J.S. Bach, BWV 61
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Satanus
Why would christmas not be for pagans, after all, they invented it. It is true that rome tried to take it away from them by relabelling it and forbidding the original thoughts. It was a power play, methods of a bully. All it takes for it to revert back to pagan, is for there to be a pagan. It's kind of like the ownership of a house which has been in a family for centuries. They thought they killed off all of that line and so their theft was secure. But, if one of the descendents survives, he/she is entitled to reclaim it. How's that?
S
Ps, since the honorable christian would repay what was stolen, it follows that he would give up christmas to it's rightful owners. Perhaps christians will need to consult jesus about when he was really born, if and how he would like his birth celebrated.
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LittleToe
Another thread of a similar ilk: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/103844/1.ashx
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Satanus
What, no rejoinder? Is this not the room for rejoinders?
S
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THE SHOOTIST
Everyone is talking about christmas being pagan, but I ask, are the roots of the Messiah pagan? I'm going to describe 3 historical saviours and you decide if this adds to or takes away from the Jesus image. Saviour 1. Born on Dec 25th of a virgin mother, called a saviour and only-begotten son, died to save mankind, crucified on Black Friday, his blood spilled to redeem the earth, suffering death with nails and stakes, the Father and the Son combined in an earthly body, put in a tomb, went down into the underworld and 3 days later his body disappears from the tomb and he was resurrected as the Most High God whose body symbolized by bread and was eaten by his followers. His name, Attis, the Son of God of Phrygia. Saviour 2. Born of a virgin on Dec. 25th and his father was a carpenter, a star marked his birthplace and angels and shepherds were attending, the ruler slaughtered infants in order to kill him, but he survived to heal the sick, lepers, blind and deaf, dying about the age of 30 being crucified on a tree, portrayed on a cross, rose from the dead, considered to be the saviour, followers knew him as Jezeus (which means pure essence) and is is said he will return on a white horse to judge the dead and fight the Prince of Evil. His name, Krishna, the Son of God of India. Saviour 3. Born of a virgin on Dec 25th, put in a manger in swadling clothes, a traveling teacher performing miracles, turning water into wine, rode in triumph on an ass, the lamb of God, God of the Vine, God of Gods, King of KIngs, Only Begotten Son, bearer of sins, Reedemer, Anointed One (Christos), Alpha and Omega, hung and crucified on a tree, rose from the dead on Mar. 25th, and worshipped by some Hebrews during the 1st century BC. His name, Dionysus or Bacchus, Son of God of Greece. I think that history has all 3 of these saviours predating the Christmas Jesus of Nazareth, I propose that not only is Christmas pagan but that the whole Jesus concept is a pagan creation using saviours worshipped for thousands of years prior to him as the format. IN CONLUSION, HAVE A BLAST. PAGAN IS PAGAN AND A GOOD TIME IS GOOD TIME NO MATTER WHAT YOU CALL IT!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS