Doctrine on Homosexuality (page 3)

Shining One

>Many people (that includes me) don't agree with the homosexual life style but that is no reason to demonise and hate the homosexuals. They are predestined by their genes to be that way and they can't change and after all whatever they do affects them and no one else.

I agree with your loving attitude toward people of a different persuasion but this statement is not at all true according to medical research. This is a myth promoted by the politically correct crowd and began by the gay lib.
Rex

Mysterious

>Many people (that includes me) don't agree with the homosexual life style but that is no reason to demonise and hate the homosexuals. They are predestined by their genes to be that way and they can't change and after all whatever they do affects them and no one else.

I agree with your loving attitude toward people of a different persuasion but this statement is not at all true according to medical research. This is a myth promoted by the politically correct crowd and began by the gay lib.

While there is evidence that there may be an environmental or cultural component, twin/adoption studies provide significant evidence that there is also a genetic factor. And irregardless, the lack of success in "ex-gay" therapy should make someone stop and think twice before suggesting that gays can "help it". Certainly it has been my experience with several dozen gay people I have had the privilege of knowing over the years that none of them felt they had any choice, and many in fact tried very hard to live straight lives; some tried to be straight to the point that it nearly destroyed their lives. It's not a myth.

maurices5000

Hi, i disagree with homosexuality also and i am an exgay. In actuality, there are 2 twin studies. I can get the details. They were both done by the same person. The most recent was done in Australia and it disproved the previous more well known study. This last study with is much more accurate since the total number of twins in Australia was known actually proves that same-sex attraction is not genetic.

I believe in environmental factors only. It has taken me only 2 years to change. For some reparative therapy doesn't seem to work but mostly i think because people just aren't willing to do the hard work. But it is hard and no one should be judgmental. I have never been bisexual. I have moved from absolutely 100% gay to nearly completely heterosexual. It is not a change in behavior alone. it is definitely a change in desires.

As for Jehovah's Witnesses. I've seen many people get disfellowshipped for acting on these desires. but i've also seen many Witnesses who were quite sympathetic. It is a shame that the Witnesses don't do enough to help those who struggle with this. In this particular area, i actually think JWs are a little more sympathetic than other religious groups. However, woe is the one who get baptized and acts out.

maurices5000

I do want to add while i disagree that homosexuality is normal. I am not against a person's personal choice to live as a GBLT person.

Many of us current and former homosexuals are or were dissatisfied with our way of life.

if anyone needs more info go to www.peoplecanchange.com. It has great info and an online forum. there are many, many more websites and resources.

Therapy? Hummm... some have benefited from it. I find it suspect. Some "therapist" use it solely as a means to get money. I've wasted about $1,000 or more in money in therapy but some say they've benefited. If i were you and willing to give this a try, i would read the books and joining an online forum first before spending more money. many guys get all the help they need from just reading the books and getting advice at peoplecanchage.com.

Speaking of studies, Robert Spitzer an atheist and a APA member who was instrumental in removing homosexuality from the book of mental disorders, recently did a study in 2000 or 2001 showing that highly motivated individuals can change their sexual orientation.

I think society in general is becoming more and more open minded about this issue. Unfortunatelty some exgays are notoriously against gay rights. I believe people have the right to live as they want to live -- whether it is exgay or gay.

A good video on exgays is www.idoexist.com

Inquisitor

I'm glad you are satisfied with the outcomes of your therapy, maurices. At least you have discovered who you are.

However, I would be careful not to be carried away with one's personal "emancipation" and start a crusade to prove that homosexuality is an aberration of human behaviour.

While it may be "natural" for you to be a heterosexual, it would be cruel to rally the rest of the world to a personal notion of what is normal and what is not. I know, you do not intend to criticize gay people. But can you safely say that right wing Christians would not use your personal experience as intellectual ammunition against gay people? Can you stop that? Your own testimony that homosexuality is "not normal" is ammo enough to hurt confused young adults.

How do I know you're wrong? I don't. But I know you cannot be so confident of your "line of evidence"

Why not?

I see people (yes, not just you maurice) spit out case studies (twins study) as if they were Divine Judgements. They are not. For every study showing that homosexuality is learned behaviour, there is another to prove that there are no significant results to that effect. The homosexuality debate is still raging. It hasn't approached a Grand Climax yet.

Another caveat to consider, is that even if one successfully proves that homosexuality is not genetic, but is learnt, what exactly does that prove? That homosexuality is learnt thus unnatural thus wrong?

If i was left-handed would learning to use my right hand be unnatural and wrong? If I learned to speak Swahili as a child, growing up where my parents served as missionaries, should I unlearn it cos I'm not African?

If monkeys instinctively mated with their sisters and mothers and had babies, is that unnatural?

When male animals initiate sex with other males, is that unnatural too?

If you're gonna say, "but unlike evolutionists, I believe humans are made in the image of God and need to aspire to superior standards" i ask you, who created the animals and taught them to breed?

INQ

Inquisitor

I must qualify that I do not know if the basis for homosexuality is genetic or not.

What I do know is that some gay people feel very strongly that it is in their very nature. It would be rather insensitive of us to proceed with so little facts, but heaps of conviction that their lifestyle is biologically perverse. (cmon that's what you mean if you say their sex is a little odd)

Having said that, I'm equally aware that there are gay people who are not so certain about their sexuality (and I am not just referring to sexually confused adolescents). So it would be equally wrong to assert that all gays are GENETICALLY PREDESTINED (sorry greendawn!! lol).Not all gays are that sure of themselves. Additionally, I don't like the combination of those two words "genetics" and "predestination". Too much of an orgy of science and the metaphysical.

INQ

Inquisitor

Shining one

You've forgotten to mention that the right wing Christian movement and morally conservative scientists also promote half-truths about gay people.

Myths to support their distaste for this sexual orientation

e.g. all gays have poor father-son relationship, most gays have emotional problems etc.

Don't believe me? Check out NARTH.

INQ

Hi, i disagree with homosexuality also and i am an exgay.

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