Doctrine on Homosexuality (page 4)

Inquisitor

Tall Texan

Those guys murdered AND ROBBED the gay guy? (I mean cmon, the wallet didn't just crawl it's way into that accused guys home now did it?)

And were they baptized Witnesses? What theocratic action was taken against them?

INQ

Some people know that they only liked the same gender from when they were a young child. I had a friend like this. I think that only these people are innately gay. I can understand what they are talking about because I remember as a male being attracted to girls from when I was five/six.

I think the confusion starts from teenage hormone overload especially for boys. There is so much hormone in them creating excessive desire that they just want to release it on anything that moves. For boys this would naturally be on a girl but if a boy has had some kind of 'conditioning' like beaten up by father or not loved enough by mother, watching gay porn, perhaps any of these or such like can sway a person at that hormonal age to change direction. I don't think that these people are naturally gay and could respond to ungaying tactics.

darkuncle29

I'm still trying to unravel and undo the years of self abuse...(oops, pun)...that I put myself through by trying to un-gay myself as a teen. Look, if you can do it, then that's just peaches and cream...but I am way past anything to do with human contructed religions and LAW, that offer me no help in being who I was born to be.

Dark Uncle, geting used to this skin...and finially liking it.

darkuncle29

What also irkes me is this so called "Homosexual life style". What exactly is that?

Is it what you'd see on the Discovery channel, say when they're talking about animals and their diets and habitats? Behaviors?

Would it scandalise and surprise you that many gay people don't really fit the mold of the "Homosexual life style"?

Inquisitor

Spectrum

So what you're saying is: on one hand, one is a gay from birth (genetic cause) if same-sex attraction occurred at tender age (5/6 yrs)

and on the other hand a gay created by environment is someone who only discovered that homosexual attraction at adolescence onwards. Is that right?

One question: how does one find an attraction to any sex, let alone the same sex, at the tender age of 5 or 6 years? Surely you don't mean sexual attraction. And if the attraction is not sexual, can we actually refer to this kind of emotional(?) attraction as a guide for sexual orientation??

INQ

hamsterbait

Yaddayadda -

The item in Awake was about '74(??). There was a much later item in the late 80s, from the info in the later article I realized it was the same man.

He left his wife and eventually got AIDS. He told his parents and said he wanted to come back to "The Lie" the day before he was diagnosed with Caposi's Sarcoma.

The WBTS had a field day! Do you want to make your parents cry like he did etc etc et boring cetera.

My father (Catholic) was gay, and got married for a "front". Lying to yourself is bad enough, but lying like that causes so much harm, I cannot see being honest about yourself is damaging to anybody. Mysterious - read up on "the gay gene" It has now been proved that male HS is passed on through the female line. No expl. for female HS as yet. The real puzzle is that in the distant past, the gene conferred a survival advantage. Not by making the male unwilling to breed, but the gene manifests itself in other traits too. Tetra is prolly more up on the genes thang.

HB

Spectrum

Inquisitor,
"One question: how does one find an attraction to any sex, let alone the same sex, at the tender age of 5 or 6 years? Surely you don't mean sexual attraction. "
I can't remember if it was sexual attraction at that age but definitely remember being attracted to this girl I met. I still remember the house, the room, her parents quite vividly and the feeling that I was attracted to this girl, she was also my age. I remember I got the same feeling about another girl at the age of 7, the feeling this time was even stronger. I felt frustration that she wasn't my girlfriend.

"So what you're saying is: on one hand, one is a gay from birth (genetic cause);if same-sex attraction occurred at tender age (5/6 yrs) "

I can't say it's genetic but it is a fact.

"and on the other hand a gay created by environment is someone who only discovered that homosexual attraction at adolescence onwards. Is that right?"

No, not quite, if you follow my logic you'll see that they don't discover they are gay they either make themselves gay or they are forced to become gay in the manner I prescribed in my first post. Please remember it wasn't an exhaustive list.

"And if the attraction is not sexual, can we actually refer to this kind of emotional(?) attraction as a guide for sexual orientation??"
I don't know I'm not a psychologist but from listening to people, friends telling me their experiences I've come to these conclusions.
Some people are born attracted to the same sex - Homosexuality is set to default. Others are forced/force their state to homosexuality.

Swan

"To my knowledge, no serious study has been conducted to find the cause of heterosexuality." -- Gordene MacKenzie

hamsterbait

Spec -

Have you ever asked why it is that straight boys never ask "Hmm, funny I love womens bodies - I wonder if I am Heterosexual"?

Gay boys on the other hand are constantly reminded of their "deviance" and some (like my father) waste half their life copulating with a woman while fantasizing about males just to keep an erection.

Who is actually being deceived and hurt by all this stone age nomadic nonsense?

HB

daniel-p

The problem I always had with the WT stance on homosexuality was this: the Bible says no one would be tested beyond their endurance. So why would homosexuals be expected to live a completely celebate life in order to not commit this supposed sin? That scripture about not being tested beyond our endurance always bothered me. What about people who commit suicide? They obviously experienced more than they could handle, yet Jehovah says we would never experience such a thing. The whole thing is such bullshit.
The Bible obviously condemns homosexuality - so the problem is not solely with JW's on this - the problem is with the Bible and it's twisted view on morality. How can it be a "moral code" when actions took place clearly opposing the basic laws of morality? (such as keeping a harem; raping a woman in wartime only to be forced to marry her; etc.)

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