by ballistic 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
ok Little Toe, then maybe due to what I feel god is, all of what I have said is an antha, anthr, anthropi ... anthropomorphisation.
But we are stuck in space and time and have to use our terms to describe what seems to be a bizarre "universe" on the outside which in all probability is god.
How about examining why we state that God must dwell outside of time?
Do we see time as a limitation, somehow, or is it just "is"?
My basic premise is that time is a by-product of space, so until god created space, he must not have had a serial time like existance. I am suggesting that omnipotence works in the direction of time as well as the other dimensions.
(although I don't deny he could have created other "time zones" if you like, in which he could have interacted with angels and so on)
I want to throw in a spanner about "our terms".
Bear in mind that thought, concepts, language and philosophy continue to evolve. Science has evolved to the point that we have far more rational explanations about the way our solar-system works and how we catch a common cold.
What were the bible writers trying to convey with the intellectual tools they had available? If we accept that their concepts were limited and that likewise our concepts are limited, what are we left with?
I AM - Enjoy the "is"...
Your problem with that premise is that God must then have had a linear thought which permitted Him to then create something with a beginning.
What's wrong with time and space simply being "is", albeit a linear one, upon which God sits in and of, above and through?
Life - shards of God-existence - works for me
Yes I think that works for me. This would be a good name for a Christian pop group.
Little Toe and the Shards.
Your problem with that premise is that God must then have had a linear thought which permitted Him to then create something with a beginning.What's wrong with time and space simply being "is", albeit a linear one, upon which God sits in and of, above and through?
No, like I said before, the universe does have a beginning from our perspective. But only from our perspective. Nothing has a beginning or end to God. Scientists say at the point of the big bang, the very laws of science, including those relating to time and space broke down, which allowed the contents of the entire universe to be packed infinately tight. For there to be a god, he must exist outside of that and therefore outside of time.
How does that which has no beginning comprehend that which does?
How does that which has no "time" comprehend that which knows nothing else?
For there to be a god, he must exist outside of that and therefore outside of time.
In the pantheist, he doesn't. He is that which exploded into existence.
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yes, I think I might have to become a pantheist and then my brain might stop hurting from trying to understand an existance without time.
