To scholar: re: child abuse

by Lady Lee 144 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    In another thread you posted the following:

    The whole child abuse issue is simple apostates in their desperation trying to make something out of nothing for they delight in creating controversies and making mischief.

    I was one of those victims. Believe me it was not "something out of nothing*. It isn't a "delight". It was tragic. And I certainly didn't have to create any controvery or make any mischief. I really do prefer the truth - the real truth and the whole truth.

    The Society is well aware of any such problems and has the matter in hand and will comply with any legal changes that countries see fit to implement in order to remove this dreaded scourge from society and its families.

    Well yes they are aware but prefered to sweep it under the carpet. It was honest-hearted people who cared for the safety of children and the cong that brought the problem out from under the carpet and forced the WTS to deal with the issue - sort of. If there are no laws enforcing reporting of the abuse the WTS will cover it up. The JWs will not be informed if there is a pedophile in their cong. They are not informed that they need to be very wary when a person has been convicted. They certainly aren't going to be warning about accusations that are made. If it can be hidden you can be assured they will keep it hidden.

    Perhaps if countries did more to remove pornography from their citizens or educating the people according to Bible education then many such social evils would be minimized.

    Do some real research. Pornography has nothing to do with child molestors. Silence about the problem and a history of abuse is a much greater predictor of whether a person will abuse a child. Out of the 9 men who abused me only 1 had any pornography.

    The Society of Jehovah's Witnesses is the only group in the world that has committed itself by means of its organization, people and resources to international Bible education which seeks to bring good news of God's Kingdom as a permanent solution to the world's problems but to elevate the morals of people.

    So they say. But given their track record of scandal, hypocracy, lies, half-truths, carpet sweeping, flip-flops, and speaking out of both sides of their mouths (evidence of all the above has been discussed here many many times) that there is nothing they can say that would get me to believe anything they say.

    If apostates believe they have found a better good news or the Truth then they should energize themselves in doing the Lord's will at this time and do that work instead of throwing stones and mocking those who are doing the Lord's work.
    I might fully know what I beleive right now but I sure as anything know what I don't believe
  • doofdaddy
    doofdaddy

    When I was a jw, a friend of mine's daughter(about 3yrs old) was molested by an 80 yr old ministerial servant. It was hushed up and he was stood down as a ms for a few months.

    Ironically, when she grew up, his daughters immoral behaviour (as a teen) was not swept under the carpet and she was speedily disfellowshipped. Sweet justice jw style.

    Gotta keep the cong clean you know.

  • stillconcerned
    stillconcerned

    Scholar-

    A challenge:

    I will make available to you redacted copies of police reports and conviction records of perpetrators and witness statements of victims from JW congregations.

    At present I have over 2200 statements and police reports.

    If you can read them and retain your (uneducated) premise, or are able to provide contradicting statements or evidence, i will leave you peacefully reposed in your denial.

    Kimberlee D. Norris

    attorney at law

    [email protected]

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot
    I will make available to you redacted copies of police reports and conviction records of perpetrators and witness statements of victims from JW congregations.

    At present I have over 2200 statements and police reports.

    Well!

    I guess THAT will settle the accusations that this is (yawn) "ALL LIES" that all those people are making up to "besmirch the good name" (gag) of the WTS!

    I hope that David 2002 and all the WTS apologists and defenders will SEE this "offer"!

    Thank you Kimberlee!

    Annie

  • katiekitten
    katiekitten

    Bravely said Lady Lee.

    Scholar, denial is a peaceful place to hide. If you havent personally experienced this horror its easy to pretend others are making a fuss about nothing.

    Sometimes when I am very tired I wish my daughter wouldnt complain about having stomach ache or some other menial illness. I could easily tell her to shut up so I dont have to hear it. But that wont change the reality of what she is feeling. That will just make my life easier because I dont have to deal with it, and our relationship more strained because she will learn to trust me less and less.

    I would do some open minded research before denying that thousands of peoples most painful and bitter experiences ever happened. I hope you never have to suffer the final indignity of not being believed if something improbably terrible happens.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Lady Lee -

    Thank you for those words. The reality is not known by most witnesses. I never did. Silent Lambs blew me away and was one of the key factors on my exit. Scholar and his ilk, who defend without information those who protect these monsters in JW society are disgusting. While it is true that the same problems exists in other circles, the callous disregard for children damaged in such situations is exceptional among Jw. The overriding bullshit idea concept that Jehovah will solve all these problems in the New World is at fault. Even if it were true [and like you I am not positive what to believe, but know what I don't believe], what society with morals to guide it would permit 'temporary evil' to reside in it's midst while waiting for a permanent solution in the future. That is nonsense of the highest order. And for someone to blame pornograghy is clearly just a straw man argument. The real issues being hidden and ignored.

    Stillconcerned [Kimberly]

    Thank you for the legal fight you are putting up. May God bless you.

    These sorry a$$es like Scholar make me sick that I was ever associated with this pitiable community called Jehovah's witnesses.

    Jeff

  • avishai
    avishai

    Scholar, do you think this case is one of "disgruntled apostates?" Here ya go, tell me what you think....

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/38146/1.ashx

    and....

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/46670/1.ashx

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Thanks to all of you for your posts here.

    I think I will be shocked if scholar actually does try to make some comment on this thread. I have yet to see any JW apologist address the issue in a meaningful and accurate way.

    It is so easy to spout the WY propaganda. They don't even bother to "make sure of all things" That is still in the Bible isn't it?

    The only thing that needs to be done to protect an abuser is to be quiet.

    The only thing that needs to be done to protect a victim is to speak out - loud, long, and courageously.

    Kimberlee D. Norris

    At present I have over 2200 statements and police reports.

    Kimberlee

    I am in Canada. Around 1963 my father was arrested for sexually abusing me. Would you know any way I could get a copy of the arrest report? There was a court appearance that I had to go to. I was not asked to testify (I was 11 yrs old) and they told me all he had to do was identify me as his child. There was a witness to one incident and a doctor's report.

    I am posting this here in case anyone else might need info about tracking down old police and court records.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Thanks avi for those two links. For some reason I didn't have them posted in the Best of section. I have added them to my list of links to be posted on my next update.

  • stillconcerned
    stillconcerned

    Lee-

    Do you know where the report was made?

    With your written authorization to the police force there, they will provide you a copy of the report.

    Include his full name, DOB, and any other identifying numbers and dates.

    Send it certified mail (not required, but helpful).

    Some departments have specific forms required to receive records.

    You can call ahead to the department and ask if they require a specific form.

    Hope this helps!

    Kimberlee D.

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