Sister Sneaky/Deceptive in the ER this morning......

by Frannie Banannie 38 Replies latest jw experiences

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  Frannie Banannie

  I'm sure she'll remember you, but the comment above is one thing she's going to remember as well, even if she thinks you are a 'loser'. Hard for her to explain why your blood pressure is down and life is so much better after leaving the "truth"! You told her point-blank it was a cult/control group, too. She might be indignant about that, and who knows where that could lead. If she really cares about truth, (not trooth) that is.

  Your story reminds me of a time when I was elaborating about some of the more bizarre oddities of Mormonism to Greg's cousin, within earshot of a woman sitting nearby. My husband's Mormon (at that time) sister came over, and then said, "OH! Here's my friend (pointing to woman) from church!" and introduced us to her. We both knew that she'd gotten an earful of our conversation, and I felt embarassed! I asked my sil later (after she was left the MOrg-as she calls it!) whether that "friend" mentioned anything to her about our conversation. Apparently, she said nothing at all... makes me wonder if she eventually left... I really hope so, but I'll never know!! I really don't regret her hearing, when I think about it.

  BTW, I sometimes wonder how a JW in good standing could be working in the medical field... aren't they supposed to stay away from college?? Or do they have to rely on recruiting educated worldly people?...

  Don't kick yourself Fran.

  Thanks, Bebu. Yanno, I've always imagined that someday when confronted unexpectedly by a jdub I would handle it so well with all the great info I've gleaned from this forum and other sites, but I was unprepared for this sneaky confrontation. Kinda like the story about your "Morg" listener, eh? I hope she left, too.

  BTW, Bebu, she was just transcribing patients' personal info into their system. You don't need college to be able to do that. Then again, she's only been a jdub for 24 yrs (raised a Baptist, if that's the truth) and could have gone to college pre-borg.

  Frannie
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  BluesBrother

  Well, I was raised a Baptist myself.

  
  

  
  Well, that is sneaky and deceptive.. perhaps it comes from all those in the ministry when we would never say up front who we were. But in fact , the implication is there that she is either a practicing Baptist or a lapsed one. She lied by a clever use of words - not Christian , rather of the "other side of the force"

  As for what you said, well everybody says there is a lack of love. I bet she has said it herself. To say that you had doctrinal issues is much more relevant and thought provoking.

  You said your piece. Well done !

  BTW.. I hope your eye gets better......
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  NewYork44M

  I wonder if she counted time for her "witness" to you. Also, if you happened to the hall that Thursday night I am sure she made a comment at the meeting at your expense.
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  AuldSoul

  after I let her know I'd come out of a restrictive religious cult and her alarm bells went off.

  Frannie,

  It COULD be that she is starting to view them the same way...maybe that is why she recognized your description as JWs? You were the one there, but it might be something to consider. Maybe you could just go and ask her a few questions to find out where she is at currently. Unless she turned aloof and smarmy when she told you that she was a Witness for 24 years. Or you could have just casually asked her whether she has ever been asked to break the law on keeping medical information confidential...LOL.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul
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  Navigator

  I think that I would be tempted to complain to the hospital administration about this matter. Sounds like she went way beyond her authority on this one.
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  BONEZZ

  Hi FB,

  This is the first time I've posted in quite awhile...been reading and keeping up to date with stuff here but your post made me want to share something similar with you. In my local town we have a "sister" (a real self righteous one) who works in admitting. She's privy to everyone's records. A couple of months ago the hospital placed a small box ad in the local paper extolling her as the employee of the month. It burned me so I wrote the following letter to the hospital board and attached Watchtower article confirming what I told them...

  Board of Directors

  To Whom It May Concern:

  ’s recent announcement of XXX XXXX as the “Employee of the Month” brings to light some possible legal ramifications for your institution. Normally a person’s religion is of no business to anyone…unless that religion requires the person to reveal confidential patient information.

  This is such the case with your employee of the month. Mrs. XXXX as a devout Jehovah’s Witness is required by the tenets of her faith to report anyone who is also affiliated with her faith who may accept medical procedures that are prohibited by Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society.

  For example, if a person of the Jehovah’s Witness faith comes to the hospital and is given blood, either in an emergency situation, or with the patient’s approval, Mrs. XXXX would be required to reveal this information to the elders in her congregation. The act of receiving blood, as you are probably already aware, is severely prohibited by this religious organization. Your medical center would be held strictly liable by the court for allowing a person with such beliefs to have access to privileged information that could be abused in such a way.

  Please pay particular attention to the attached article from the September 1 st issue of a Watchtower magazine (*** w87 9/1 12-15 "A Time to Speak"-When? ***)

  in which a hypothetical case is proposed. You will notice that a devout Jehovah’s Witness is not only required to turn in an offender but is also at risk of having sanctions brought against them if they do not reveal the confidential information. Jehovah’s Witnesses keep strict control over their followers. It would be wise for you to consider the legal implications of allowing such a person to have knowledge of private health related matters.

  Regards,

  A concerned one who works in the legal field.

  Email: xxxx @.com

  PS. I am also aware of at least one other employee, acting as a nurse, who is a member of the Jehovah’s Witness religion. The same info would apply to that person.

  The Watchtower article talks about how a good JW should follow his/her Christian trained conscience and be a snitch for "Mother". Hope this gives you an idea as to what you can do. Personally I don't see how any doctor/medical center (even lawyers, etc) could employ j-dubs if they knew what was written in the Watchtower about revealing confidential info required of their minions. Good Luck!

  -BONEZZ
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  rebel8

  So sorry you had to deal with that crap. Is your eye btr now?

  You have the option of filing a written complaint with the hospital. They are not paying that chick to discuss religion with you. They are paying her to work. Send a letter to the hospital administrator. Wanna bet yours won't be the 1st complaint of this nature?
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  prophecor

  I was a member of a very restrictive religious cult for almost 20 yrs and I'm really off religion now.

  I bet she baits a lot of people, looking for key words in your speech, like above, identifying whether or not you might be witness, or no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses. As soon as she hears the words "restrictive religious cult", then her radar suddenly goes up. The bait and switch: "Well, I was raised a Baptist myself.", then the she gives you enough line to.....

  Even if she is JW, she didn't have to shove it in your face, after you've shared with her a portion of your history with her. The _ _ _ _ h was just needing to glorify herself. Another war story to add a feather in her cap. Another experience to relay while waiting for field service to get started.

  Some folks just do not deserve your energy, nor do they even deserve giving them the time of day.

  It's not yours to feel bad Frannie. She's having her reward in full now.

  Art
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  AuldSoul

  I agree with Art. They have to manufacture persecution to validate themselves as "Christians." Of course, she was being "persecuted" for being a b***h not for Christ's sake.

  Good letter, BONEZZ

  AuldSoul
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  Frannie Banannie

  Well, that is sneaky and deceptive.. perhaps it comes from all those in the ministry when we would never say up front who we were. But in fact , the implication is there that she is either a practicing Baptist or a lapsed one. She lied by a clever use of words - not Christian , rather of the "other side of the force"

  As for what you said, well everybody says there is a lack of love. I bet she has said it herself. To say that you had doctrinal issues is much more relevant and thought provoking.

  You said your piece. Well done !

  BTW.. I hope your eye gets better......

  Thanks, BLUESBROTHER. I don't think a 24 yr vet of jdubdom still has reservations of chagrin when it comes to admitting who they really are, but it's possible. You are absolutely right on the deception. It was a clever use of words.

  Also, love could be taken as a doctrinal issue too, I've since decided, because the WTS only gives the emotion lip service. I do hope I provoked some thoughts other than "loser!"

  I'll find out tomorrow on the eye business. They want to rush me in to see an eye specialist tomorrow. Thanks, BB, for your kind thoughts.

  I wonder if she counted time for her "witness" to you. ; Also, if you happened to the hall that Thursday night I am sure she made a comment at the meeting at your expense.

  NEWYORK44M, she probably did, but I won't be "happening" to any KH at any time, whether in the near or far distant future. Last time I intended to set foot there was my dF'ing 02/16/1992.

  Unless she turned aloof and smarmy when she told you that she was a Witness for 24 years.

  Yep, she did turn her back on me after that, AULDSOUL. I felt a chill and "heard" a door slam on my lips at that time.

  I think that I would be tempted to complain to the hospital administration about this matter. ; Sounds like she went way beyond her authority on this one,

  NAVIGATOR,I was tempted briefly, but got to considering that I left myself wide open for those questions when I brought up jdubs like I did, even though the sneaky questions weren't in her job description. Legal action WILL take place in the event some suits show up at my door asking me questions that could only be prompted by a hospital employee divulging private patient information to further her religious goals. They will (unknown to them, of course) be video-taped and recorded "en flagrante" so-to-speak, as they stand at my door and make their inquiries.

  BONEZZ, I appreciate your post so much. That letter and the back-up article from the WT was a doozie! It gives me an idea about how to present the info on this to an attorney should some suits show up at my door and the ensuing video-taping of their queries gives me what I need to sue the pants off the WTS and the hospital.

  I wonder if there are any WT articles on divulging private info that one is privvy to when "it's time to speak" in the WTS vernacular.

  Frannie.