The Wild Beast has both a Name & Number. Do you know what the NAME is?

by Schizm 368 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Schizm
    Schizm
    I have been a lurker on this thread. I don't care how you want to define it. -- daystar.

    Okay, I meant it one way and you took it another way. That's okay, nobody got killed over it.

    More "evidence"?! With baited breath.

    Your statement here is ambiguous. It can be taken two different ways. One way that it can be taken is that you look forward to the further evidence that I plan to post on subject regarding the name of the beast. The other way that it can be construed is that you're deliberately being sarcastic.

    Perhaps you would care to make your true feelings known, by clearly explaining which way you meant it.

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  • kazar
    kazar





    I don't want to contribute to a polemic; however, I am curious what it is you mean that the WTS will get a new face. How will this be? And, why is not the eighth king yet arrived? Is it not the scarlet colored wild beast?

    If the WTS falls, I for one, will be happy to see the rank and file members have the choice of mental freedom.

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul
    In keeping with your usual practice, what you've said is rather vague.

    I am glad you have noticed that.

    In this way, I avoid a trap so many well-meaning dolts fall into, the trap of telling other people what they should think about things. Those who presume to do so are, in my opinion, no better or different than the WTS. Some people even have the audacity to go so far as to question the intellligence of anyone who doesn't agree with their viewpoint.

    AuldSoul

  • Schizm
    Schizm

    AuldSoul,

    Oh go away, fool, and play in some other thead. Enough of your nonsense!

    Schizm

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  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    Schizm, I'll preempt this post by stating I'm not attacking your theory or prompting deliberate confrontation.

    I've read Revelation a bunch of times since this post started to try and understand your premise. That is (and I hope I have this correct), the name of the woman riding the beast is 'Babylon the great city', while the name of the beast is 'Babylon the Great".

    I have a few questions, but I would appreciate it if you could qualify may presumption first. Thanks

    steve

  • Schizm
    Schizm
    I am curious what it is you mean that the WTS will get a new face. How will this be? And, why is not the eighth king yet arrived? Is it not the scarlet colored wild beast? -- kazar.

    According to the prophecy of Daniel 11:35, and due to the stumbling of many who are described as "having insight," there is going to be corrections made where doctrinal problems exist (a refining). Of course the WTS has taught that this scripture has already been fulfilled, but it really hasn't.

    Insofar as the 8th King, yes it's the scarlet-colored wild beast. However, it's not the United Nations as we first thought. The U.N. simply doesn't fill the bill of being all that the Bible shows the 8th King will be. It can be proven that the 8th King will be a Government that will have jurisdiction the world over, a one-world government if you please. This 8th King will come on the heals of a worldwide collapse, caused by the single international war that Jesus foretold at Matthew 24:7. It's existence will become possible as the result of the majority of goverments being willing to part with their sovereignities, yeilding their powers and diadems over in order to give authority to the 8th King.

    Have to go out to eat right now. Hope your question has been addressed.

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  • Schizm
    Schizm
    I've read Revelation a bunch of times since this post started to try and understand your premise. That is (and I hope I have this correct), the name of the woman riding the beast is 'Babylon the great city', while the name of the beast is 'Babylon the Great".

    I have a few questions, but I would appreciate it if you could qualify may presumption first. Thanks

    steve

    That's the way I understand it, yes.

    Fire away with your questions.

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  • Hellrider
    Hellrider
    And as is obvious to all but those who cannot see, when considering the arrangement of the wording of the text in the Greek language there's lots of room to rearrange the furniture

    ...and that`s what it`s all about, isn`t it?

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    Schizm, OK here goes:

    Revelation Chapter 8 describes the fall of the harlot riding the beast, chapter 19 describes the fall of the beast and the dragon. Vs 2 and 3 says :

    And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: "She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird! 3 For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury."

    And then Vs 10 says: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city, Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!’

    Vs 16 says: Too bad, too bad—the great city, clothed with fine linen and purple and scarlet, and richly adorned with gold ornament and precious stone and pearl,

    Vs 18 and 19: and cried out as they looked at the smoke from the burning of her and said, ‘What city is like the great city?’ 19 And they threw dust upon their heads and cried out, weeping and mourning, and said, ‘Too bad, too bad—the great city, in which all those having boats at sea became rich by reason of her costliness, because in one hour she has been devastated!’

    Vs 20 and 21: "Be glad over her, O heaven, also YOU holy ones and YOU apostles and YOU prophets, because God has judicially exacted punishment for YOU from her!"21 And a strong angel lifted up a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: "Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again

    So, the way I'm reading this, they are one and the same.

    In chapter 19, with the fall of the beast and the dragon, there is no mention of Babylon the Great, as its already gone.

    So, how am I reading this wrong?

    steve

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

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