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Willow Tree

Isnt it amazing how life can totally turn around and you end up in a place you swore you would never be in?

5 years ago, I was "happily" brainwashed, unaware of the deceptions. I always thought that the JW's were right and everything against them was lies from Satan. I used to shudder when people badmouthed God, and I couldnt understand the views of atheists.

5 years on, I am still coming to terms with my entire world view being shattered beyond anything I could imagine. Now I totally understand why people hate God. Now I totally understand why there are atheists.

Over the past 5 years, not including what I found out about the JW's, I have slowly come to a realisation there is no such thing as an all-loving God. Everything I know about God has come from human sources. The bible, the qu'ran, and other ancient "inspired" texts, all were ultimately written by man. They claim to be dictated and/or inspired by God, but how are we to know this is true, other than take their word for it?

If we are to believe these texts, we are condemned from birth due to the crimes of our original parents. What loving God would do a thing like this? We all live in a world where evil is allowed to prosper at the expense of the good. Surely if there was an all-loving God, he would have stepped in to deal with this mass injustice. We live in a world where religion portrays God both blasphemously, and lovingly, when it suits their agenda. Pedophiles, rapists, extortionists, power hungry people, all hiding behind their religion. If there was a God, surely if this was not true, he would step in and put a stop to it?

I am incredibly angry at God. All my life I wanted to know him, and I thought I did. I was wrong. Since I left the JW's I have looked for God in every way I could, and the search has led me down to a path where I realise there is no God. Or, at least, there is no God as religion portrays it. And if there is a God, it is not all-loving, and doesnt care for humans.

Nature shows the true nature of all things. Pretty on the surface, but when you get to know it, its twisted. It all works to the advantage of the strongest, the weak have little chance. The Tsunami of 2004, New Orleans 2005. The animals were warned, why not the humans? Considering the majority of the humans who perished were not the ones who cause the greatest evil, and infact, probably did good.

Thank goodness that we as people (well, not all of us but we all have the potential) are able to think for ourselves, and live in an era where we are not required to have religion forced upon us, and although it is hard, for those who are trapped in a religion, have a way out and a life on the outside.

All the good that has happened in human history is due to people. Never forget this, God does not deserve the credit.

Its amazing, im at the exact place I swore and thought I would never end up at. I hate the God religion portrays. If there is a real God, I am angry at him/her/it and have no desire to worship it and certainly am not indebted to it in any way whatsoever. I am lonely, but at least I am free, for now. I have learned to try to not take anything for granted. Life has a habit of turning upside down.

Satanus

Agreed on all points. I'm curious, what was the first chink in the armor of your belief?

Welcome to the board, btw.

S who is not totally atheist. He is a pantheist.

tetrapod.sapien

wow willow tree, that was an amazing post. well written. agreed on all thoughts as well here.

so, a major question for me lately, is where do you find meaning within yourself?

i have given up on finding external meaning of "intellectual substance", personally, apart from survival. but even that is not external, in the sense that it does not apply to us directly, but rather our genes. if we are but the expression of our genes, as all organisms are, then really it is our genes that are concerned with survival and replication. we are the vehicle for them to survive. harsh, i know. and of course, evolution doesn't give a rat's ass if i survive past about 30 years old.

so, i am left trying to find meaning within myself, and struggling because apart from distraction-like-hobbies, i can't find any of substance.

where are you?

Its amazing, im at the exact place I swore and thought I would never end up at.

i know, same. it's a wild wild ride, for sure.

josh

ithinkisee

Great post WillowTree.

I am looking inward as well. FreedomLover showed me an article in National Geographic on Buddhism. I need to reread it and study Buddhism more, but the impression I got was that being a successful Buddhist means being at peace inside with external things that affect your life - and controlling just how much those things affect your life.

This is interesting to me. I too am disgusted with the god of religions. Even if he were real he is not one I would want to worship.

And yes, the part that pisses me off most is that I wanted and believed at one time that I really loved that god. For some reason, recently, that thought makes me want to throw things.

-ithinkisee

freedomlover

willow tree-

Its amazing, im at the exact place I swore and thought I would never end up at.

I agree with this one hundred percent.

I used to think atheist were totally off their rockers and now it's looking very desirable to me and makes the most sense to me so far as to why things are the way they are.

welcome to this board.

It seems you've traveled very far mentally. what started you down this path? did you have support before this?

hope to see you stick around - freedomlover

Undecided

I know how you feel. I was listening to a song the other day and it was somewhat religious and my emotions wanted to become involved in being spiritual but my intelligence said,"Are you nuts. Look at nature and see the real God, bird flu, natural disasters, cancer, food chain, starving children all over the world, religious wars, game played with the devil by God in the bible with Job. It didn't take me long to get over the feeling.

Ken P.

tetrapod.sapien

and atheism doesn't have to be a permenent place for anyone. if anything, weak atheism is a good place to stop, take a deep breath, a rest, and look at the universe again with sober eyes, after years of doing this opium that marx spoke of.

TS

gumby

Me thinks by the replies here that Jesus better think twice about setting foot on planet earth again cuz there's lots of people out there who wanna kick some booty. Just remember what he did to that figtree though and just remember he knows how to use a bullwhip.

Gumcoward

tetrapod.sapien

LOL gumby!

it reminds me of this bill hicks quote, what you said about jesus coming back:

A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. Do you think when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a f*ckin' cross? It's kind of like going up to Jackie Onassis with a rifle pendant on."

freedomlover

gumby -

just remember he knows how to use a bullwhip.

LOL!! Jesus and a bullwhip....hmmmm

jesus and a beard and his hotness..........

I wouldn't have to do some booty kicking...I'd have him come over with his little bullwhip, have some good kinky fun with Jesus, have him fall mad in love with me, and then drop him like a hot potato and break his heart, and then I'd have had my revenge on Jesus...........HA HA HA!

J/K - nothing personal against Jesus.

(cracking the whip here) freedomlover

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