Never be sure of anything...

by Willow Tree 22 Replies latest jw friends

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  tetrapod.sapien

  lmao!!
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  trevor

  Welcome Willow Tree - you say

  I am incredibly angry at God.

  It is understandable that you are angry with the god invented by those who wrote the bible. But it is becoming clear to you that no such monster exists. As you say:

  …the search has led me down to a path where I realise there is no God. Or, at least, there is no God as religion portrays it.

  With all its fault the world is still a wonderful expression of life and being a part of it, even for the short time we have on earth, is an experience most of us are glad to have had. If you look at the whole reality of our world from a higher perspective it will start to make more sense.

  Forget about worshiping a hateful god, punishment, reward and all the other nonsense that has caused you so much pain. The force of life dwells in you and is on your side, it is not against you and it does not judge you. Look for the good in people and find peace within yourself.

  You may think you have lost all truth but it is likely that you are just starting on a journey that will lead you to truth and a true understanding of life's meaning. Such understanding is so often born out of pain.

  t
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  talley

  Willow Tree, YES, YES, YES!!
  
  Thank you for giving us all such articulate "food for thought".
  
  talley/Judy
  
  you have a PM
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  starstuff

  Hi, Willow Tree:

  I feel like I've been brainwashed for all my life and only now am I starting to come out of the fog.

  Anger and pain are huge forces in my life right now. I'm "grinding teeth" angry at everything. After reading some of the replies to your post, it occurred to me that maybe it does all boil down to the mental garbage I was fed about an angry, jealous, petty god that could'nt wait to strike me with a lightning bolt for any transgression.

  I'm currently reading Sophie's World, by Jostein Gaarder. It's a novel/ philosophy course all in one. One of the sentences in the chapter about Rene Descartes that got my attention was when Sophie says "You begin to work out your own philosophy".

  That's where I'm at right now regarding my own life's archaeological dig.

  starstuff
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  gumby

  Starstuff....just want to welcome you and say hello Glad to see you reading something beyond the Watchtowers and AWAKES!

  Gumby

  btw.....your small type is hard to read for old bastards like me who can't see.
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  skyman

  there is no God as religion portrays it

  
  

  
  A+ I could not agree more. I am at the same place you are. Religion has a twisted veiw of GOD and makes him or her look like a narrow minded old jerk that main requirement is hating other religions that does not go agree with him. Look at the bible; Kill all, do not leave any alive. The trouble the Isrealites had was because they broke this command and let some live. Good person this GOD. It makes me think of the rich man that builds a beautiful house, a thief shows up goes in and kills them all even the one year old blue eyed baby boy because GOD told him to do this. This story is so up side down becasue, the hero is the thief and he is the good person.

  That is how twist religion is today. Most of the religions of today claim their religion is from Abraham and they are the chosen ones. The rest no good evil poeple on Satans side.
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  Blueblades

  Welcome Willo tree! My thoughts exactly.

  Blueblades
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  AlmostAtheist

  Welcome Willow and StarStuff!

  Atheism for me is a wonderfully comfortable and satisfying place to be. The big questions of the world have such reasonable (if not always pleasant) answers under a no-god world view. Grappling with the question of purpose is an ongoing issue, as tetra pointed out. Your post carries a clue to that:

  All the good that has happened in human history is due to people. Never forget this, God does not deserve the credit.

  Excellent point! And in it, lies purpose. People are happy or sad. Everything else is related to that. If you move yourself and those around you toward happiness, you're having a positive impact on the world. I am seeing my purpose lies largely there, in being happy and spreading happiness. If I'm wrong, it's a good way to be wrong, I think! :-)

  Dave
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  JamesThomas

  Welcome, Willow Tree!

  I am incredibly angry at God. All my life I wanted to know him, and I thought I did. I was wrong. Since I left the JW's I have looked for God in every way I could, and the search has led me down to a path where I realise there is no God. Or, at least, there is no God as religion portrays it.

  That, is a beautiful expression of lucid wisdom.

  The deepest and hottest hatred I have ever experienced was directed at the god my parents past down to me. This seems to be a healthy result of awakening wisdom realizing how it has been deceived and cheated.

  So now what?

  If there is now, or in the future, a deep haunting sense that there is something very significant yet to be discovered, I suggest you read: The Power of Now, by Eckhart Tolle.

  Often the eruption of hatred for what is false, is really the burning desire to know what is true. The book I suggested has no truth in it. Rather it helps point to what already is real and true within you.

  j
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  jaffacake

  and atheism doesn't have to be a permenent place for anyone. if anything, weak atheism is a good place to stop, take a deep breath, a rest, and look at the universe again with sober eyes, after years of doing this opium that marx spoke of.
  

  TS

  
  

  
  I like this post by Tetrapod so much I am re-posting it - above. This describes what happened to me, although that's not how I saw it at the time.

  I would say that wherever we are, and whatever we believe, we should never allow it to be a permanent place. No one has all the answers nor ever will, but knowing that is a good place to be.