by DannyBloem 18 Replies latest jw friends
Excellent point, as is the pointt about the Sabbath. Keeping the Sabbath is biblical as it was instituded prior to the Mosaic Law, that is why Mormons and 7th day Adventists keep the Sabbath.
If a JW got in trouble for using Yahweh or saying they keep the Sabbath it is a clear indication that they WTS is to be followed in favour of the bible.
Well this hasn't been said yet but...
Now what would happen if a publisher would prefer the to use Yahweh always?
They would get a talking to about the need for unity. Unity is the hallmark of Jehova's people so we would want to make sure we follow the lead that the "faithful and discreet slave" has set out for us. Maintaining our unity shows a humble spirit. We would never want to stumble others within the congregation or new ones by confusing them. As Jehovah's faithful footstep followers we would meekly submit to the leadership that has been provided to us.
Oh good grief - that came way too easy
The elders would watch that rebellious attitude like a hawk I tells ya
They would get a talking to about the need for unity. Unity is the hallmark of Jehova's people so we would want to make sure we follow the lead that the "faithful and discreet slave" has set out for us. Maintaining our unity shows a humble spirit. We would never want to stumble others within the congregation or new ones by confusing them. As Jehovah's faithful footstep followers we would meekly submit to the leadership that has been provided to us.
This is about what I would have said before, and well in some ways it does make sence.
Something in the same orer I said to the erson wanted o keep the sabbath. Do it if you like, but keep a low profile. Don't force others.
And jwfacts, if ot is biblical or not, that can be a whole different topic of discussion. I do think that the JW's are right on that point, that it is not so important anymore. But them, I do not care to much anymore.....
This reminds me of a discussion I once had with an elder regarding whether it would be more fitting to use "Michael" instead of Jesus since the person who was Jesus was Jesus (Yeshua aka Joshua) in earthly life, but that in (current) JW theology he is now Michael in heaven and the time period that the Bible speaks of his activity, that is how he is known (again in current JW theology).
He saw my point and said that if I privately did that it would be ok, but not to do that from the platform in prayer or whatever as it would possibly stumble others.
Then about a week or so later, he showed the the scripture "in the name of Jesus, every one shall bend their knee" or whatever and said that it thus indicated that only THAT name was fitting to be used as a reference to Jesus in prayer, etc.
I think the point of the matter is that such things as this and the Yahweh/Jehovah discussion stress the rigid literalism that Jehovah's Witnesses possess at times and goes to show how the religion can sometimes be distanced from the real value or spiritual heart of the matter.
While it may be true as JWs say, that it seems to be more proper to use a "personal" name if we want a relationship with God or Christ and conducive to intimacy, one must be careful not to be overly dogmatic about it and recognize that you can use a person's name as much as you want but if your relationship is actually strained because of other reasons it is not going to help you to be any closer to that person. And conversely if you have an extremely harmonious and intimate relationship with someone, it is possible to go for extended periods of time without even whispering that person's name.
-Eduardo
They would dump him because the name jehovah is something the became so used to, imagine them saying we are Yahveh's witnesses. They should give up using a name that is associated with the obsolete mosaic law and use more the name associated with the New Testament.
Greendawn,
perhaps's the future is already moving towards that. The Society has formally adopted the name "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" or is it "Jehovah's Christian Witnesses"? I forget. and it is like 2 am and my brain is fuzzy :-)
but the point is that it is only a Price is Right move to slip out the Jehovah and squeeze together arriving at "Christian Witnesses."
-Eduardo
Hi Oroborus, if they do become Christ centred as all genuine Christian religions always are, it will involve a fundamental change of attitude in the JWs who are very obviously jehovah centred, most of them are not even part of the New Covenent.
Hopefully they would snap out of the hipnosis that their governing body has slaped on them. I have a friend who's still a JW and i feel so sorry for him and his family. He quit a really good job that had alot of benefits including a solid pension plan, traded his beautiful house for a one bedroom apartment, due to he no longer could pay the mortgage, lost alot of weight due to stress and lack of sleep, all of a sudden has marital problems, stoped playing baseball with all the Boys, judges eveybody who is not in their "Light" a worldy person (Including myself, but i just laugh it off) all because the watchtower society says so. I was very surprise at how quickly he joined with-out investigating all aspects of the organization. Also He became a stubborn SOB...but he's still my good friend. Who knows maybe one day he'll wake up and think on his own.
