Will there be any interviews with formers JDubs that have suffered a loss of a loved one due to the WTBT's dogmatic stand on blood?
Their "BIG" news 'KNOCKING' documentary
by DannyHaszard 125 Replies latest watchtower scandals
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DannyHaszard
Why not wait to see how it actually turns out and then complain about it if you must?
That's what i did with 1914 generations thingy and the next thing i knew my youth was gone and i was old.
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kid-A
This kind of thing only gives opposers to JWs a bad name and proves that you are just as judgmental and biased as Jehovah's Witnesses can be. You are all no better because just as JWs do not permit certain speech and try to place a chilling effect upon certain speech - all of you that have posted in this thread advocating a prior-restraint or speaking out against this movie are doing exactly the same thing that the Society does.
Thats bullshit and you know it. If the WTBS had produced this as a pro-JW piece that would be one thing. This is a supposed "unbiased" documentary filmmaker producing a flagrantly biased film. If you go back to previous threads on this topic, you will find that Joel Engardio has repeatedly brushed off the input of "apostates" who wrote elegant, thoughtful letters asking him to at least show both sides of the issue. Do you really think he will be showing JWs letting their children die over the blood issue? Interviewing molestation survivors? No. Instead he glorifies the JW blood policy by calling them "medical revolutionaries" (this term is his own, not mine). Engardio is producing a documentary to be shown on a PUBLICLY owned network that is supposed to be entirely free of outside bias. His website proves this is not the case. Your tax dollars support PBS and thereby Engardio is using public funds to endorse a "religious" corporation. Interestingly, Engardio isnt too interested in the input of anybody disagreeing with his take on the JWs, and if you doubt this, go back to older threads to see his fluff responses to Barb Anderson.
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YoursChelbie
I'm really not too concerned about yet another piece of propaganda.
Any thinking person will get information from other sources and not just from this movie to base their true opinion about the Watchtower. If a viewer's BS meter is working, you can be sure they'll get on the net to get all sides to the story.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/106456/1847888/post.ashx#1847888
Movie Documentary
http://www.commentarypress.com/booklist-eng.html
Books by Ray Franz
http://www.freeminds.org http://www.reexamine.org
http://davidgladden.com http://dannyhaszard.com to name a few.
The internet.YC
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valkyrie
I wouldn't act in haste to condemn or denigrate the piece before it has been viewed. Why? See how the following website ["The Masonic Connection of the Watchtower II"] demonstrates Mr. Engardio's earlier reportage on the state of JW doctrine (http://www.cephasministry.com/masonic_connection_of_the_watchtower_2.html):
Are there really no responses to this post (in full, above)? No new ground to be considered?
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Oroborus21
Kid-A,
I think you misunderstand the real role of PBS (this reminds me of the whole Mapplethorpe controversy regarding NEA from a few years back).
there is a lot on PBS that I might not personally agree with. That is the beautiful thing about America and why I thank God every day that we don't live in a totalitarian nation that restricts a multiplicity of views.
Like someone said, there is a wealth of counter-JW info out there and now thanks to the Internet readily available to many people.
The point of PBS is to provide many viewpoints and material that is of interest to the viewing pubic. JWs are among the largest religious bodies in the U.S. and well known by many.
I don't expect the documentary to present the counter-information based on what I know about its creator or the website info. But it doesn't have to. That is what counter-speech and the marketplace of ideas is all about.
What concerns me is that there would be an effort to engage in a prior restraint or to bring bad press upon speech which hasn't even been "uttered" yet!
That is exactly what PBS, and the ideals underlying a democracy and republic like the United States of America is completely against.
As I say, this type of activity only mimics exactly one of the major problems within the JW faith - that of censorship and prior-restraint upon the freedom of speech.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you love free speech you have to allow other's to engage in speech that you might not want to hear - even if they speak only in half-truths or lies.
Everyone deserves a turn on the soapbox. Those who only wish to reserve the right to speak for themselves are no better than any tyrant who would do the same.
-Eduardo
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DannyHaszard
Are there really no responses to this post (in full, above)? No new ground to be considered?
I am thrilled with your post but am hedging restraint on validation because i don't know you or your source yet.
Nothing personal against you mate.
Any backup comfirmations on this information?
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Oroborus21
By the way folks,
This is not really NEW: Anyone ever heard of Marley Cole's book: Jehovah's Witnesses - New World Society
Same thing just a different medium.
I guess there are those of you that would have tried to prevent that book from being published or given it bad press before it came out too.
It's called a marketplace of ideas for a reason folks.
-Eduardo
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DannyHaszard
Everyone deserves a turn on the soapbox. Those who only wish to reserve the right to speak for themselves are no better than any tyrant who would do the same.
-Eduardo
Bravo! That's why i created this thread,so you could post your opinion on this issue.
Enough already,let this thread be our sorting station for intell on this documentary. Post any information updates here ,let's not be caught by surprise
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valkyrie
I am thrilled with your post but am hedging restraint on validation because i don't know you or your source yet.
'I' am unimportant to this offering; the "source(s)" are listed within the post and can be checked:
1. the website, "The Masonic Connection of the Watchtower II", http://www.cephasministry.com/masonic_connection_of_the_watchtower_2.html
2. "Newsweek of November 18,1995 featured an article entitled, "Apocalypse Later." Newsweek magazine - December 18, 1995, p.59, Religion section. Article by Kenneth L. Woodard, with Joel P. Engardio. Title: Apocalypse Later."
Whilst I appreciate your attention to the post, I was not seeking "validation" [does one's contributions to the forum have to be validated by a thereto authorised official before being taken into consideration by the general public?], but reasoned commentary... i.e., feedback.
V.