by ArgCampeon 29 Replies latest jw friends
Yes, I think so. Communication is not bad. Healthy associations are not bad either. But, note the counsel Paul gave to Titus.
Titus 2:1 says "You, however, keep on speaking what things are fitting for healthful teaching."
Titus 3:9 says "But shun foolish questionings and genealogies and strife and fights over the Law, for they are unprofitable and futile. "
Good counsel to keep in mind.
I think this board is very useful.
As someone whose life is greatly affected by the Watchtower Society and its teachings, it is a good place for me to discuss the issues that have shaped my life with others of a similar background.
When I try to discuss these issues with my friends or work mates, they just kind of stare at me with a blank face since their life experience is so different from mine.
I question all of my associations, including my online associations and only continue those that I think are useful and enjoyable.
hugs
Joel
Good council if you believe in the Bible. Many here do not and some do not beleive in God all together. Church is fine and dandy for some, but this is all some of us have that do not attend a local religous meetings. This board is they way many of us who do not fit in go to talk and learn and gain other people's viewpoints.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but most here don't give 2 cents about what the bible says. Or, many who do care still don't take the bible all that seriously. Sorry ArgCampeon, but those that use this forum that believe the bible is the divine book of God are few and far between.
G'day ArgCampeon,
You must be used to explaining JW teachings by quoting random texts out of context!
For the sake of clarification, the NT letter by the name of Titus was written by the apostle Paul to Titus who was on the island of Crete. Both men had introduced Christianity to the island and Paul left Titus there to organize the converts. This letter is believd to have been written by Paul from Macedonia and was to give instructions to Titus about meeting opposition, about faith and conduct, and warnings about false teachers, as well as Paul's future plans for him.
You now need to read the verses you have quoted in that context. Shall we do that?
Titus 2:1 says "You, however, keep on speaking what things are fitting for healthful teaching."
The emphatic You is contrasting the work of Titus with that of the false teachers just denounced in Chapter 1:10-16.
Titus 3:9 says "But shun foolish questionings and genealogies and strife and fights over the Law, for they are unprofitable and futile. "
This is a reference to the situation described in chapter 1:10-16. A similar problem existed in Ephesus (see 1 Timothy 1:3-7).
So Paul was not writing in the first century about the conduct or whatever of persons on the JW Discussion Board in the twenty-first century.
See what I mean? Good.
Cheers,
Ozzie
"A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies"
ALFRED, LORD TENNYSON, The Grandmother
joel:
I respect you in a sence. You are gay and if that's what you enjoy, good for you. I don't believe that is healthy and the Bible condemns it. But it is what you have chosen, so that is fine with me. The problem is when we try to deceive others, that is what an apostate does.
MrMoe: And that is only your opinion. It is sad that your faith has vanished, but maybe someday Jehovah will show you the way, if he sees fit to do so.
Well, ArgCampeon, aren't you just so totally lucky that you have "chosen" to be heterosexual! What? You didn't actually "choose" to be attracted to women? Oh, wait....are you saying that you were born that way?
WELL, BUBBA, JOELBEAR WAS BORN GAY!! Get used to it. That is who and what he IS....just as YOU are heterosexual (you are, aren't you?)....or perhaps you're neither. Can never tell these days. Hmmmm....
Perhaps the question should be "Is the bible useful?" It certainly isn't from God.
Well, thank you for assuming I was one of those individuals, of course, you don't even know me, so who are you to assume? I do beleive in God and I do beleive the Bible was "inspired" by him.
Second- if you believe in the elder arrangement and the bible, then why are you talking and conversing with the people on this forum? They do consider themselves apostates. If you are an elder, horray for you, because what is good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Or, am I just assuming you are an elder? Either way - you should not be here, talking with apostates is a disfellowshipping offense according to the WT - and no man is above the "law," Ray Franz of the Governing Body is a fine example. He was disfellowshipped for eating with his boss who was dis-fellowshipped.
One word - Troll
I respect you in a sence. You are gay and if that's what you enjoy, good for you. I don't believe that is healthy and the Bible condemns it. But it is what you have chosen, so that is fine with me. The problem is when we try to deceive others, that is what an apostate does.MrMoe: And that is only your opinion. It is sad that your faith has vanished, but maybe someday Jehovah will show you the way, if he sees fit to do so
How is being gay unhealthy? Please show me any sicknesses or ailements caused by being gay. AIDS dosent count, it is transmitted by blood and sexual intercourse, heterosexual or homosexual. I could see a somewhat valid argument that sex in general isn't healthy, but that's about it.
The bible may condemn homosexuality, but it dosen't condemn slavery, polygamy, or the killing of babies for the sins of their fathers, all things now condemned by christianity. Might as well use Hitler's Mein Kampf to back up arguments about morals.
-Dan
p.s- I don't think it's sad to stop beleving in something without any evidence. Until god rides down in a celestial limo and says 'Wassup humanity, i just dropped by to say hi and squash heretics with my giant thumb and to apologize for leaving behind all those crazy fossils, what was I thinking creating that crazy half bird half reptile thingamajig' I cannot beleive in him.
Oh my god, wait, did you call me a troll? Is it me or is that a bit childish.
I assumed what I assumed because of your comment. Why am I here? Should I be conversing with apostates? Well lets see, who am I talking to? there's mrmoe, then some redhosewoman, some ozzie guy, a bear. Well if you consider yourself apostate, then show respect and love for your creator and repent. Before giving me counsel apply it to yourself.
