LET'S MAKE A LITTLE WAGER (page 17)

Naeblis

And what would YOU know about reality you lunatic? You live in a fantasy land of your own making. Time and time again you ahve predicted the end only to retreat humiliated. What makes you think this time will be any different? Do you not feel any shame or embarassment? Go on spouting your pocketbook economics if it makes you feel important. I'm inclined to think that it's the only thing that does.

Naeblis

What's even MORE amusing is that you predicted the financial world would collapse because of it's own weakness. Yet..what do we see?? After perhaps the worst terrorist action in history, the economy, while admittedly weakened and hurt, is still chugging away. HOw ludicrous that makes your REAL prediction seem. NOw by hiding behind these events to pretend that THIS is what you predicted all along, you lay your inherently dishonest nature completely bare for all to see. You are a charlatan You Know and by using this tragedy as a tool to spread your fear mongering you are showing your true colours. YOu are a pitiful human being and a sterling example of the worst in human nature. People hold you up as an example of Witness callousness but I do not agree with this. No group of people deserve to be vilified with the burden of your association. There may be rough times up ahead for the world you moronic basement dictator, but life will go on, as it always does, and you will be back here when it's all over to warn us of the next "end" I truly pity you.

AlanF

Robert King (a.k.a. You Know) has certainly being making a fool of himself in this thread. In his time-honored fashion he's made wild predictions that have failed. In his traditional way he has forgotten what he said and remembered a rather different version of it. This is entirely in keeping with the mentality of his Masters, the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Here are some highlights from the threads that show just how someone of this mental caliber manages to lie to himself and others:

Beginning post:

You Know:
Sep 3, 2001 12:14:51 PM
My proposed wager is this: I will wager 100 bucks, that before the end of the month of October that the present financial system will be in a full-blown panic crisis; and, if not in a crash-down mode, then certainly in a state of war... Some of you may wonder what the connection is between a dollar meltdown and the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses ... Vladamir Putin a few days ago called more emphatically on all Russians to quickly get rid of their dollars and buy the quarter-ounce gold chervonet that the Russian treasury pulled out of the vaults a month ago.

Today "the present financial system" is dealing with an unexpected political event, but is far from "a full blown panic". Nor is it in "a crash-down mode". Nor is it "in a state of war".

Some posters tried to get YK to be specific:

ChuckD:
Sep 3, 2001 12:25:49 PM
How about putting some measurable parameters to your prediction. After all, it is easy to say "the financial world is in collapse" (as you yourself have done so many times before) but what EXACTLY do you mean by "crash-down mode" or "full-blown panic"?

dmouse:
Sep 3, 2001 6:18:00 PM
You don't expect YK to specify what he means do you?
Whatever happens, YK will win in his own mind because the world will end in a spiritual sense in October (like it did in 1914) and if the rest of you didn't notice, well, that's your lookout.

Naeblis:
Sep 11, 2001 4:11:09 PM
I already said I would take it You Know but you have to explain clearer what constitutes panic or whatever you are expecting. I'm not wandering into this blindly. Be clearer and I'm in.

Immediately after the terrorist attacks, You Know declared that he had won his bet:

You Know:
Sep 14, 2001 11:56:55 AM
Just go ahead and make the check out dude. / You Know

Various posters pointed out that he had not won his bet:

NameWithheld2:
Sep 14, 2001 12:20:46 PM
So as I see it, Mr Robert has been preaching doom and gloom for the finacial sector for years now (every Oct), and may have gotton lucky, then again, maybe not. So far, aeven with everything that has happened, I don't see any 'full blown panic' going on. In fact, foreign markets are holding pretty steady.

Naeblis:
Sep 14, 2001 2:19:14 PM
You Know was claiming that this crash would happen because of it's own weakness, not from outside factors.

jdubla:
Sep 14, 2001 3:04:19 PM
-um, i accepted your bet, and asked for the parameters........and all i get back is more preaching. does this mean you are backing out of the wager that YOU initiated? (didnt take long for him to renege, did it people?)

You Know reaffirms winning his bet:

You Know:
Sep 14, 2001 3:08:26 PM
No. It means that you are too stupid to realize that you have already lost the wager. / You Know

Someone points out that YK is beginning his standard backpedal dance:

jdubla:
Sep 14, 2001 3:45:13 PM
as i thought, yk is backing down. he will not agree to the wager at this point, so he instead claims that all bets are off because he has "already (won) the wager". a cowardly but predictable approach.

larc:
Sep 14, 2001 3:53:13 PM
Like any prophet, you made your statement purposely vague. What does financial collapse mean? Does it mean that the stock market will drop by 70%. Does it mean the dollar will be worth ten cents of its present value? If you will quantify your statements, I will make a bet with you. Such quantification is a very simple matter. Why won't you do it?

AlanF:
Sep 14, 2001 3:54:53 PM
The point is that when fanatical religionists are expecting a great event, any event out of the ordinary is fodder for their prophecy mill. No matter if every detail of past predictions has fallen flat -- the basic prediction of "trouble" remains intact.
So it is with You Know. Every prediction he has made has failed. Until a few days ago he was predicting that the world economy would collapse on its own 'real soon now' due to a major economic event. Now we've had a major political event, and without batting an eye he has abandoned his old prediction and latched onto a new one, where now the economy won't collapse on its own but probably due to war or who knows what else?

jdubla:
Sep 14, 2001 4:29:48 PM
: Such quantification is a very simple matter. Why won't you do it?
because he is smart enough to know that this would open him up to being wrong. if he is vague enough, he can claim victory. hell, if the markets slide 10% next week, he'll no doubt be gloating.

larc:
Sep 14, 2001 4:40:45 PM
This is my second recent request, along with several previous ones. Would you please provide a quantitative definition to your words. As I pointed out before, this is very easy to do. Why do you not respond to such requests?

You Know continues his usual blustering bullshit:

You Know:
Sep 15, 2001 1:47:01 PM
Your request is nothing but bluster. In fact I would have to assume that you are a total idiot to even challenge me to provide a definition of my words. I called for financial panic and a crash-down mode if not war. As it stands the central banks have turned on the money spigots full bore and no doubt will probably lower interest rates a full percentage point, or more very soon; and today the treasury department has called for the issuance of war bonds. The NY TIMES stated that is was every American's patriotic duty, come Monday, to go out and buy as much stock as you can afford. That's because the financial system is now in a crash-down mode and they are in a panic to hold it together. Let's face it: YK called it. I know that's a tough thing for apostates to swallow, but it is going to get worse---a lot worse. Your humiliation will be total. / You Know

Larc calls YK on his backpedalling:

larc:
Sep 15, 2001 1:54:09 PM
Let me set the parameters and see if you agree. The market will drop by 80% and the dollar will be worth 10 cents of its present value. Since you believe that matters are starting now, will get worse in October and continue to worsen over the comimg months, I will make a bet based on the conditions next May, where by your account conditions should be extreme. Will you take that bet or would you like to adjust the parameters I have specified?

YK responds with typical Watchtower-style vagueness:

You Know:
Sep 15, 2001 2:02:26 PM
I have said all along that it will take the flash of a nuclear holocaust to penetrate the sort of blindness that apostates have embraced. And of course that is a very real possiblity now. By the way, let the board be reminded that I also posted some time ago on H20, that Osama Bin Laden has 20 backpack nukes. As I recall I even posted a link to the CIA congressional report. Nuclear devices may well already be pre-positioned awaiting detonation. So yes, apostates may bluster on for awile like the hissing reptiles that you are, after all, there is simply no way that you could ever acknowledge your error. But, it should be obvious to any but the most perverse haters of truth that the world fundamentally changed September 11th 2001. No sane person can deny that. / You Know

Again YK is called to account, and again he tries to wiggle away:

Naeblis:
Sep 15, 2001 2:08:00 PM
You called for the market to collapse of its own weakness
That has not happened.
If it does (which is still unlikely) it will be from war not you rprediction.
You never even came close to predicting what happened.
YOu change your "prediction" as events unfold.
YOu are an idiot.

You Know:
Sep 15, 2001 2:13:18 PM
Like I said Bluster Boy #42, you can talk all you want. Fact is: your world is coming down. / You Know

larc:
Sep 15, 2001 2:18:37 PM
I appears that you are the one with all the bluster and no action. You again ignore my request for specifics so that we can proceed with a bet.

You Know:
Sep 15, 2001 2:25:25 PM
Lark: I proposed the wager. You can accept it or not. But, it's really a mute point now don't you think? The US is officially in a state of war. That was part of my wager that the system would either be in a financial crash or in a state of war. The stock market is just a small part of the financial system. It's only a sideshow and I have no interest in that. If you want to write a check out to the Wt ---go ahead. / You Know

larc:
Sep 15, 2001 2:35:04 PM
You are backing out of the bet. You never did define the word "crash". If the stock market is not the measure for you, then what is? Please define your terms. So stop the bluster and name calling and specify what you mean.

jdubla:
Sep 17, 2001 9:12:55 AM
larc, yk is already claiming "victory" which is why he will not name parameters (besides, he knows parameters would allow for his predictions possibly being wrong). he was vague enough in his first post to claim victory for himself already now. you see, the fact that the fed is pouring money into the banks proves his "financial crash." preposterous, yes i agree, but its his way.

jdubla:
Sep 17, 2001 10:48:50 AM
almost always, statements can be twisted in order to achieve the desired accomplishment. in this case, yk has either twisted his own words, or as weve already noted, simply left his statements vague enough to claim his little october victory (finally, right yk? only took 5 chances or something?). i will post here some of yks statements, in chronological order, so that we can break down this "victory".......
okay, quick break here to summarize......so far weve seen mention of the financial system being in crash-down mode, or in a state of war, (note here, that the "financial system" would be in a state of war, NOT the u.s. system as he is now claiming was the meaning of his words). we also have here this talk of the "dollar meltdown" and the "almighty dollar" becoming "non-negotiable." people, hes already set the parameters.....the dollar will crash, its plainly stated in his first post. (of course, the u.s. being in a state of war supercedes all these other predictions, and victory is claimed by yk)...
youknow was predicting disaster for the market (notice he hinted that it may not even open), and then he no doubt backed off from that stance when he realized the markets would in fact stabilize after a correction,(probably watching cnbc), and he then deemed the markets nothing more than a "side-show" that really has little impact on the financial system (its only a "small part"). a "prophet" backtracking, what a surprise (see history of c.t. russell).

Jdubla makes a true prediction:

jdubla:
Sep 17, 2001 11:28:54 AM
im sure we will see yk ignore my post, as he does with all posts that make his ignorance evident.heres another quote from alanf that i think is worth repeating (and again, it was one that was completely ignored by yk).....
many make mention of yk's past performance (i think its 0 for something), and yet he can never bolster a reply. somehow he still manages to call everyone else "blustering bozos", while never admitting his own numerous failures in the prediction category. who is the real bozo?

More calling of YK to account, and more wiggling from YK:

AlanF:
Sep 18, 2001 11:10:34 AM
It goes without saying that your efforts are wasted on this waste of human flesh that, with supreme irony, calls itself,You Know. But the back-and-forth is instructive to potentially thinking people who might still feel that self-proclaimed prophets may have something useful to say. Every such prophet who has ever predicted anything solid enough to test has failed. You Know is merely repeating the blatherings of the latest series of Adventist-style lunatics that began around 1820. One would think they'd run out of steam, but lunacy knows no bounds.

Englishman:
Sep 19, 2001 8:34:02 AM
: that's why I see a global financial collapse as a necessary precursor to the commencement of the tribulation and the unveiling of Jehovah's judgments from heaven."
Come off it, YK, every time you dubs see something going wrong you somehow come to the conclusion that it make you right.
When things are going well, you holler "Peace and security! The end is nigh!"

You Know:
Sep 19, 2001 9:09:47 AM
The thing is though, I called it BEFORE it went wrong. I think that's what you are having a hard time coming to terms with. LOL / You Know

Utopian Reformist:
Sep 19, 2001 9:20:52 AM
Greetings and welcome back to this thread. If you scroll back a few pages, you will notice I accepted your wager and posted the conditions.
You did NOT reply. I wagered $2,500.00 to the WTBS against $1000.00 to any charity providing assistance to victims of the attack. I believe in all fairness, you should be writing a check today.

You Know:
Sep 19, 2001 9:45:31 AM
Wrong! I posted the conditions of my wager. You are welcome to accept MY wager or not. Heck, Perhaps they will get things put back aright in the next month? Or maybe they will go nuclear? Who knows? It will be an interesting 40 days. I suppose, come Halloween, that the demons will have by then conned many of you into hanging yourselves in effigy. / You Know

Utopian Reformist:
Sep 19, 2001 10:13:05 AM
C'mon now, are you really determined to confuse the matter and segway into confrontation? I have never been confrontational with you thus far, nor have I taken liberties and made personal attacks.
Let's simply review the issue. Your prophecy called for the crash of the market and the beginning of a world war. Neither has occurred. I am sure someone of your intellect, capabilties and station in life could easily afford a tax-deductible contribution of $1000.00 to a noble charity.

Seeker makes some solid points:

Seeker:
Sep 19, 2001 10:23:37 AM
What's all this talk about the stock market already having crashed? It didn't crash yet, and if You Know thinks it did it shows how little he knows of the markets. It dropped, what, about 7% on Monday? Given the nature of current circumstances, that wasn't bad. Remember 1987? That was a crash! There it dropped about 25% in one day, and then dropped some more. Here we dropped about 7% and then stabilized.
It's bad enough that You Know got excited by the WTC disaster (yes, he did, look at his posts immediately afterward, and see his wording -- he was thrilled), let's not let him bluster his way through the markets too. What he predicted has not happened. Not even close.

Seeker:
Sep 19, 2001 10:27:38 AM
And just to keep the facts in mind, here is precisely what You Know wagered:
My proposed wager is this: I will wager 100 bucks, that before the end of the month of October that the present financial system will be in a full-blown panic crisis; and, if not in a crash-down mode, then certainly in a state of war.

So, let's see...is the present (as opposed to any future?) financial system in:

a) a full-blown panic crisis? Nope, not even when the market reopened on Monday. Very calm.
b) In a crash-down mode? Nope.
c) In a state of war? A financial market can't go to war, so this is a non-sequitor.

Don't let him bluster you. So far, he's wrong.

YK did respond to one of jdubla's posts:

jdubla:
Sep 19, 2001 11:22:28 AM
thank you for responding to my posts though, in typical yk fashion, not commenting on the obvious fallacies i pointed out in your logic, and once again avoiding all comments on your past performance, or lack there of, in the prediction dept. it must get difficult to bite your tongue, with everyone constantly pointing out your embarrassing record......but then again, what can you really say to defend it?

Naeblis:
Sep 19, 2001 3:21:39 PM
YOu Know would have you believe that he predicted all this when in fact he did not even come close. Ignore him. In a few months when this is all over he'll pretend he never said it or was "joking"

YK admits sideways to having lost his bet:

You Know to jdubla:
Sep 20, 2001 9:07:11 AM
The media tends to focus on the stock market, and most of you assumed that my wager referred to some sort of stock market crash, but my wager actually called for a collapse of the whole financial system and the dollar, or else war. The would of course include a market collapse, but not necessarily precipitated by it or confined to it.

YK is called on the carpet for claiming to have won his bet:

Alanf:
Sep 20, 2001 9:21:56 AM
You're such a jerk, Booby, it's unbelievable. The financial system has not collapsed, and there is no war. There will be a few small skirmishes to clean up terrorists. In fact, the nations for the most part are about as united as possible these days. Yet you declare that you've already won your bet. Obviously you have no more knowledge of these things than you do of geology.

You Know backpedals yet again:

Sep 20, 2001 9:30:34 AM
I didn't say the financial system had collapsed---yet, but it is obviously in a bit of a panic. There is however an official state of declared war. As for your predictions of a little skirmish, that's just your opinion, you don't know the future. But, of course, to one so deluded as yourself, who imagines that water can run uphill, I suppose anything is possible. / You Know

More of YK's fallacies are pointed out:

Utopian Reformist:
Sep 20, 2001 10:02:18 AM
Please note that this state of war you are referencing HAS NOT BEEN DECLARED BY CONGRESS. Article V has been invoked by NATO, however, given that there are many terrorists operating in many countries, these declarations and/or use of the word may begin subsiding soon.

judbla:
Sep 20, 2001 10:31:11 AM
: most of you assumed that my wager referred to some sort of stock market crash

as ive already shown in a previous post, you emphasized the market to begin with, and then backed off when you realized you werent being quite vauge enough to claim victory.

: but my wager actually called for a collapse of the whole financial system and the dollar, or else war.

yes your bet was the collapse of the whole financial system, or the financial system being in a state of war. ill quote seeker here who said it best........

: is the present...financial system in:
: c) In a state of war? A financial market can't go to war, so this is a non-sequitor.

i realize at this point you are trying to backtrack, and claim that you actually MEANT to say the u.s. would be at war, which even then wouldnt be true.

: There is however an official state of declared war.

um, actually, no. this statement is completely and entirely false. there is not state of declared war. the u.s. has not declared war on any other country, and no other country has declared war on us. there is a war on terrorism beginning, but there is also a war on drugs that is continuing, and neither would ever be considered an "official state of declared war".

yk, your ignorance in these matters is humorous. you are entirely delusional, and again ill repeat, you are transparent to all. you fool no one.

YK is called on the carpet yet again:

AlanF
Sep 20, 2001 8:39:43 PM
: I didn't say the financial system had collapsed

You did too, you lying fucking whacko. You proposed a bet that it would collapse, and now you're claiming that you've already won your bet. You're not stupid -- you're just a lying fucking whacko, and that's behind all your insane postings.

The world understands what happens when lying fucking religious whackos like you get power -- look at the Taliban.

Observers will note that YK failed to respond to jdubla's post above, but responds to UR. Again note the tacit admission of having lost the bet by coming up with new predictions:

You Know to Utopian Reformist:
Sep 22, 2001 9:56:27 AM
: Don't tell me you have another prediction? If you do, please be extremely specific, concise and clear so that everyone can understand in black and white what you are predicting.

I think everyone can understand the first predicition, but apparently there is quite a bit of denial. A financial crash, panic, and or war, is pretty black and white isn't it?

: Please answer this question, are you now predicting that the Battle of Armageddon as described in the Book of Revelation (NWT) is going to occur before the end of October 2001?

No, don't be silly. There are a lot of things that have to unfold before the world is brought into the situation known as Armageddon. This is just the beginning of the end. We have still got a-ways to go to wrap things up. But, no doubt, from here on out, it will become increasingly more difficult for apostates and ridiculers to maintain their position that "all things are continuing exactly the same." Once weapons of mass destruction are brought into the picture, whether by terrorist or the U.S., it will certainly change things in a big and lasting way. / You Know

YK proves himself a false prophet:

You Know:
Sep 22, 2001 11:45:35 AM
There's no guess work on my part. / You Know

COMF:
Sep 22, 2001 11:58:32 AM
God reveals this stuff to him in advance of its occurrence, Naeblis. You have only to look at the track record.
God revealed to Robert that the end would start in 1998, 1999, 2000, and now 2001. You can't argue with a track record like that. Show a little respect.

In subsequent posts the game continues, YK claiming fuzzy victory and sane people explaining why he failed. Typical You Know fare.

AlanF

Seeker

AlanF,

Thanks for updating the scoresheet. Lemme see, what is the current score, something like:

You Know: 0 Reality: 117

I especially found this comment of his funny:

I think everyone can understand the first predicition, but apparently there is quite a bit of denial. A financial crash, panic, and or war, is pretty black and white isn't it?

Speaking of denial, look at You Know. He claims to have won this wager already. But even he backtracked to say, "I didn't say the financial system had collapsed---yet, but it is obviously in a bit of a panic. "

He admits there has been no collapse, and as for a panice, it's only a "bit of a panic," whereas his original wager was "full-blown panic crisis." From his own mouth comes inadvertant admission of defeat. Even his third claim, war, is wrong, for he claimed the financial system would be at war, and that hasn't happened, nor can a financial system go to war. The military can go to war, but not the markets. And unlike You Know's expectations, what has been declared is not what he expected. He thought it would be nation against nation. Instead it's nations against criminals on the run. Some commentators have said we shouldn't even call this a 'war' as that dignifies our enemy as if they are combatants, instead of the criminals that they are.

You Know is wrong on all 3 of his predictions, yet claims he won anyway. An accomplished liar at work, folks.

You Know

What's even MORE amusing is that you predicted the financial world would collapse because of it's own weakness. Yet..what do we see??

It is collapsing of its own weakness. There is a mountain of unpayable debt that was collapsing long before the terroist incident. There have been rumors flying around for weeks of several huge hedge funds that were in trouble. The fact is, the thing would be crashing down without the WTC crisis. It is because the system is so unstable that makes it vulnerable to any sort of destablizing event. The irony is that it may even be that the new war footing and emergency measures may forestall the inevitable.

After perhaps the worst terrorist action in history, the economy, while admittedly weakened and hurt, is still chugging away. HOw ludicrous that makes your REAL prediction seem.

My prediction called for financial collapse or war by the end of October. We still have a month to go. It is obvious to me that my prediciton has unnerved you.

NOw by hiding behind these events to pretend that THIS is what you predicted all along, you lay your inherently dishonest nature completely bare for all to see.

I think most people are able to read for themselves what I wrote. There is nothing that I have to pretend or hide, nor is there anything for you to lay bare except your own stupidity.

You are a charlatan You Know and by using this tragedy as a tool to spread your fear mongering you are showing your true colours.

You are taking this pretty hard aren't you? LOL The truth is the truth. You are just hysterical to deny reality. I think I have just about driven you off the edge boy.

YOu are a pitiful human being and a sterling example of the worst in human nature. People hold you up as an example of Witness callousness but I do not agree with this. No group of people deserve to be vilified with the burden of your association.

Like I said earlier: You typify the exact nature of a disturbed reptile, a mere hissing viper. You just can't stand the truth, that's all.

There may be rough times up ahead for the world you moronic basement dictator, but life will go on, as it always does, and you will be back here when it's all over to warn us of the next "end" I truly pity you.

LOL! Now you got me rolling on the floor laughing. / You Know

Naeblis

You know don't flatter yourself. I never take anything you say seriously. YOu are like the comics I read with my morning coffee. Amusing, but by no means important.

D wiltshire

YK,

You didn't even make a specific prediction, you just made a 99% chance of come true speculation base on what has aready occured 99 times in the past.
There for has a 99% chance of repeating itself.

If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?

You Know

I don't believe you. I think I got you shaken up pretty good. / You Know

Seeker

My prediction called for financial collapse or war by the end of October. We still have a month to go.

You see folks? Earlier he claimed to have already won his wager. Now he admits he has a month to go. This is why we tell people You Know can't be trusted. His words go back and forth with the wind.

However, I agree with this statement. You Know does have a month to go. This will be the 5th October in a row I've waited for one of his predictions to come true. So far, he's 0-for-4. Maybe he'll get lucky and get one right for a change. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Flipping a coin will get you the right answer roughly 50% of the time. You Know hasn't even been this good.

You Know

You didn't even make a specific prediction, you just made a 99% chance of come true speculation base on what has
aready occured 99 times in the past. There for has a 99% chance of repeating itself.

HUH? To quote a line from Bob Dylan that seems particularly applicable to your utterances: "Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth. You are an idiot...it's a wonder that you still know how to breathe." / You Know

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