The Watchtower does say that new ones of the remnant may be insane, stressed etc, and not to hastily think they are anointed. Interestingly when Geoff Jackson, now of the GB claimed to be anointed in the late 1980's people were somewhat shocked. At least he has devoted his life to the Organisation. I have seen many not so normal anointed ones.
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garybuss
The name "faithful and discreet slave" is not a designation, it's a description. To be described as "faithful and discreet slave", a slave had to REMAIN faithful and discreet to the end of the test. The test is their life span according to the Society. Thus, the concept of "replacements" can't be supported.
It's a shell game . . . a fraud. It's a conspiracy to keep people working and donating. -
Hellrider
I see this remnants-dying-off-thing as the least of the WTS` problems. Most JWs have very little, if any, knowledge about the "remnant"/"annointed" and how those things works. The WTS could put any spin they want on that one, none of the R&F ever understood those things anyway. And if the WTS says "the new ones are replacements for some who have died, and it turned out they were wrong in their belief to have been annointed", the great crowd will swallow that one without blinking an eye, because it doesn`t concern them. Because they themselves are not annointed! And even the familys of supposedly "annointed" will swallow this, because the WTS isn`t going to specify which ones (of the dead remnant) that turned out to be "imposters". Of course not, how could they, how should they even know? Afer all, there`s no such thing as "annointed" or "144000" in the first place, ha ha, it`s all just empty words!. So all the families will go "oh, it`s not grandpa this is about, it`s someone else". The WTS can run this scam forever and ever, no problem.
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greendawn
It's pretty obvious that there is a rat in this story. It's 71 years since 1935 and if the youngest members were 16 at that time they are 87 today. Most of them and virtually all of the older remanent are dead by now and it makes no sense having still thousands of them unless they say that all the original ones failed to make it.
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Fatfreek
Mathead,
It is plain based on some of your sensible conclusions that the WTBTS has been (again) guilty of more spinning than preaching. I'm looking forward to your final numerical conclusions.
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geevee
But as jwfacts points out, there are some that they say are insane, over emotional, unclear as to their calling, BUT they still get counted in the overall figure come memorial night.
The little card that the secretary gets doesn't have a direction as to who to count or not to count, simply asks for the number of partakers.
Rom 8:14 tells clearly who partake: "All who are led by God's spirit, these are God's sons". Don't most JW's feel that they are being led by God's spirit?
Also, for those of us who walk away from the BS, we still feel like we are led too? -
Lady Lee
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Nathan Natas
I will be interested in seeing what you come up with, Mathead.
One thing to bear in mind is that the average age of the group keeps advancing. If the average age at some point is 85, then five years later the average age should be 90, and the death rate among 90 year olds is higher than the death rate among 85 year olds, so you end up with something like this:
The US Department of Veteran's Affairs estimates that today (2006) there are 16 surviving US veterans of WWI. One of them lives in Portland Oregon and just celebrated his 108th birthday this past weekend.
Of course, among US Veterans of WWI there is no doctrine of "replacements," and so the chart is consistent with objective reality, unlike the chart of the surviving annointed, which is a graph of delusion.
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RichieRich
18 years, and a variation of only 300.
When I've asked why, they say that some annointed fall away, losing their anointedness, and someone else usurps it.
Sort of a "You sin, I'm in" situation.
But how many, even 60 and up, are committing DFing offenses?
Medicinal Marijuana and Viagra might be at fault here...
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Legolas
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