Disturbing similarity between JW and Islaam
by Smiles 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Inquisitor
What? Just the four words? That it? "Everlasting Life in Paradise?"
That's the similarity???
Errrmm Yeah, I'm heaps disturbed... chill to me bones...not...
INQ
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Shining One
Good point, smiles. Islam has been described in another way by an ex-Muslim that I know. He said it is 'medevial mormonism'...LOL. Satan has no imagination and humanity is stupid. He pulls the same tricks and people fall for them readily enough. 1 billion plus Muslims and the most of them can't read their own sacred book!
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upside/down
What's the difference between Extemist Islamic Fundies...and Witnoids?
Guns & ammo...
u/d
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Smiles
Inquisitor,
Are those four words as far as you read?
It is disturbing to some people, considering that beliefs such as this one are what have inspired radical Islamics to violence.
The rest of that article and some of the other information on that website, such as the importance they place on taking in "knowledge", sounds like something you would read in the WT publications. Yet, the WT condemns Islam as part of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion.
Some people also find that disturbing.
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DanTheMan
Well, ya, of course! Fundies are all the same. "g0d loves me and is going to give me a great reward. You, on the other hand, well, g0d's gonna kick your a$$! How do I know? Simple! It's all right here in this book! See, it's a really really old book! That makes it magical!"
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Inquisitor
Smiles,
Nothing else in that article caught my attention, that's why. I didn't know I was meant to snoop around the site too. ;)
I don't know. I'm still unconvinced. Yes, there may be some similarities, but are these big enough to make it disturbing? Concept of a Paradisaic destiny for the faithful and the importance of acquiring exclusive spiritual knowledge are common traits of many religious groups, not just the Muslims and JWs. Isn't it safe to say that Christendom is identified by those features as well? You could as well have said there is a disturbing similarity between Islam and Hinduism and Christianity, if only using those two criteria.
I mean Muslims do not believe in Paradise on Earth, they do not actively proselytize from door to door, they are not identified by publications other than their holy book, they don't shun apostates but choose to execute them, Allah has no personal name, their global activities are not governed by a central body etc.
See where I'm getting at?
INQ
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Smiles
INQ,
You are correct is saying that there are similarities in most religions. But to the sincere JW, the WT doctrine is original and exclusive. Since JWs are close minded to other religions, they fail to see that the WT doctrine and practices are not always all that different from "false religion" as they might like to believe. If JWs were 'allowed' to study or involve themselves with other religions, in this case Islam, they may longer view the WT as having the monopoly on all things considered spiritual truth.
You are not familiar with Islam. It is not accurate to associate everything "Muslim" per se with Islam.
And for your information Islam does practice a form of shunning against their version of apostates. This can be seen in some Islamic families where one family member abandons Islam for the teaching of infidels. The family will not execute the person but rather disown him.
Like the WT, Islam also encourages "preaching"... " Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching." Al' Quran 16:125... Sura Al-Nahl 16, Ayah 125.
Here are just a few more similarities between Islam and the JW world.
1. Associating partners with Allah (shirk). Allah Most High says (in the meaning):
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Smiles
Here are just a few more similarities between Islam and the JW world.
1. Associating partners with Allah (shirk). Allah Most High says (in the meaning):
"Truly, whosoever sets up partners with Allah, then Allah has forbidden the Garden for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the wrongdoers there are no helpers." (Soorah Al-Maa'ida 5:72)
Calling upon the dead, asking their help, or offering them gifts or sacrifices are all forms of shirk.
2. Setting up intermediaries between oneself and Allah, making supplication to them, asking their intercession with Allah, and placing ones trust in them is unbelief (kufr).
3. Anyone who does not consider the polytheists (mushrikeen) to be unbelievers, or who has doubts concerning their unbelief, or considers their way to be correct, is himself/herself an unbeliever (kafir).
4. Anyone who believes any guidance to be more perfect, or a decision other than the Prophets decision to be better, is an unbeliever. This applies to those who prefer the rule of Evil (Taghout) to the Prophets rule. Some examples of this are:
(a) To believe that systems and laws made by human beings are better than the Shariah of Islam; for example,
- That the Islamic system is not suitable for the twentieth century.
- That Islam is the cause of the backwardness of the Muslims.
- Or that al-Islam is a relationship beween Allah and the Muslim. It should not interfere in other aspects of life.
(b)To say that enforcing the punishments prescibed Allah, such as cutting of the hand of the thief or the stoning of an adulterer, is not suitable for this day and age.
(c) To believe that it is permissible to give a rule from that which Allah did not reveal in Islamic transactions or matters of law, punishments or other affairs. Although one may not believe such things to be superior to the Shari'ah he in effect affirms such a stand by declaring a thing which Allah has totally prohibited, such as adultery, drinking alcohol or usury, to be permissible. According to the consensus of the Muslims, one who declares such things to be permissible is an unbeliever (Kafir)
5. Anyone who hates any part of what the Messenger of Allah [saw] has declared to be lawful has nullified his Islam, even though he may act in accordance with it. Allah Most High says(in the meaning):
"This is because they hate what Allah has sent down, so he has made their deeds fruitless" (Soorah Muhammad 47:9)
6. Anyone who ridicules any aspect of the religion of the Messenger of Allah [saw], or any of its rewards or punishments, becomes an unbeliever. Allah Most High says (in the meaning):
"Say: Was it Allah, and His signs and His Messenger that you were mocking? Make no excuse; you have disbeleived after you had believed." (Soorah At-Tawbah 9:65-66)
7. The practice of magic. Included in this, for example, is causing a rift between a husband and wife by turning his love for her into hatred, or tempting a person to do things he dislikes using black arts. One who engages in such a thing or is pleased with it is outside the fold of Islam. Allah Most High says (in the meaning):
"But neither of these two (angels, Harut and Marut) taught anyone (magic) till they had said, Indeed, we are a trial; then do not disbelieve." (Soorah Al-Baqarah 2:102)
8. Supporting and aiding polytheists against the Muslims. Allah Most High says (in the meaning):
"Whoever among you who takes them as allies is surely one of them. Truly, Allah does not guide the wrongdoers." (Soorah Al-Maaida 5:51)
9. Anyone who believes that some people are permitted to deviate from the Shariah of Muhammad [saw] is an un believer by the word of Allah Most High (in the meaning):
"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will not be accepted of him, and in the hereafter he will be from among the losers." (Soorah Aal-Imraan 3:85)
10. To turn completely away from the religion of Allah neither learning its precepts nor acting upon it. Allah most high says (what means):
"And who does greater wrong than he who is reminded of the revelations of his Lord and turns aside therefrom. Truly, We shall exact retribution from the guilty." (Soorah As-Sajdah 32:22)
and He [swt] also says (what means):
"But those who disbelieve turn away from that about which they are warned."
It makes no difference whether such violations are commited as a joke, in seriousness or out of fear, except when done under compulsion (i.e. from threat of loss of life). We seek refuge in Allah from such deeds as entail His wrath and severe punishment.
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plmkrzy
Yep, that's where Jesus got his ideas. He must have read the Q