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Disturbing similarity between JW and Islaam
by Smiles 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Shining One
Dan,
Was I not honest enough for you? BTW, your problem is with God, not with me. I simply told you what the scripture says.
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DanTheMan
your problem is with God, not with me. I simply told you what the scripture says.
Good grief man. It's just embarrassing that you would throw this into the discussion we're having, given the point that I've made here in this thread and that you are attempting to refute.
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gumby
Hey OL' great and mighty shinnyass
We see no Jews nor Christians strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up as many innocents as they can. There is no teaching in Judaism or Christianity that says sacrificing yourself and taking enemies with you is even sanctioned, much less a guarantee of heaven.
No Rex, christians sacrificed others in the past and still do in some places...( like on the battlefield)
Here's some pics I took while on vacation last year,
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inquirer
Shining One,
Your ex-Muslim friend is not the only one who beliefs the similarities between Islam and Mormonism. Check out this:
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islamic-mormonism-similarities.htm
* "Modern Mohammedanism has its Mecca at Salt Lake... Clearly the Koran was Joseph Smith's model, so closely followed as to exclude even the poor pretension of originality in his foul 'revelations.' " (The Women of Mormonism, Frances E. Willard, 1882, Introduction, p. xvi)
* "The student of Mormonism will be struck with the similarity of experience and claims of Joseph Smith and Mohammed." (The Rocky Mountain Saints, T. B. H. Stenhouse 1873, p 2)
* "even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed" Gal 1:8
2. Both were given visions.
3. Both were told that no true religion existed on the earth. In the published account of his life, Joseph Smith related that he became very disturbed when he was a youth because of the "strife among the different denominations," and this "cry and tumult" led him to ask God "which of all the sects were right — and which I should join." He was told that he must "join none of them, for they were all wrong... that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt..." (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith 2:8-19) N. J. Dawood says that Mohammed was also concerned with the fact that the Jews and Christians had "divided themselves into schismatic sects." In the scriptures given by Mohammed, we read: "Yet the Sects are divided concerning Jesus.... Truly, the unbelievers are in the grossest error." (The Koran, translated by N. J. Dawood, Surah 19, p. 34) In Surah 30, page 190, this warning appears: "Do not split up your religion into sects, each exulting in its own beliefs." In Surah 3, page 398, we read: "The only true faith in Allah's sight is Islam. Those to whom the Scriptures [i.e., Jews and Christians] were given disagreed among themselves through jealousy only after knowledge had been given them."
4. Both were to restore the long lost faith as the one true religion. Islam makes claim that Adam and Abraham were Muslims, a claim that is as ridiculous as it is undocumented from either history or archaeology. Mormons make the unsubstantiated claim that the church in the first century were Mormon.
5. Both wrote a book inspired by God.
6. Both claimed to be illiterate or uneducated and used this as proof the book was inspired. "How could an illiterate man write the Koran or the Book of Mormon?" Joseph Smith is claimed to have only grade three education.
7. Both claimed the Bible was lost, altered, corrupted and unreliable.
8. Both claimed their holy book was the most correct and perfect book on earth.
9. Both claimed that their new "Bible" was based upon a record stored in heaven. With Islam, it is the "mother book" that resides in heaven with God. With Mormonism, it is the golden Nephi plates that the angel Moroni took back to heaven.
10. Both claim that the version we have in our hands today are identical to what the prophet revealed and that parts are not lost, altered and corrupted. Of course the proof that these claims are invalid is found in two books. The Mormon claim is proven false by a book called "3913 Changes to Book of Mormon" by Sandra Tanner. The Islamic claim is proven false by a book (In Arabic language) called, "Making Easy the Readings of What Has Been Sent Down" by Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun. Both books show that the copy of the book of Mormon and the Koran used today is different from what was originally used when each religion was started.
11. Both claimed to be a final prophet of God.
12. Both claimed they were persecuted because of their pure faith.
13. Both were polygamists who had many wives.
14. Both borrowed from paganism/polytheism. Muhammad incorporated that polytheistic moon god called "Allah" and "Allah's three daughters" into Islam. Basically Muhammad chose Allah from within 350 known gods that were worshipped in Arabia and proclaimed the moon god to be the greatest and only God. Smith borrowed from a doctrine called "pyramidology" and the Masons and other magic systems.
15. Both received "after the fact corrective revelations" from God. Muhammad retracted the Satanic verses and Smith retracted his divine order mandating polygamy. But for Mormons it there is even a closer parallel. Sounds exactly like Muhammad and his satanic verses.
"As many false reports have been circulated respecting the following work, and also many unlawful measures taken by evil designing persons to destroy me, and also the work, I would inform you that I translated by the gift and power of God, and caused to be written, one hundred and sixteen pages, the which I took from the Book of Lehi... which said account, some person or persons have stolen and kept from me, notwithstanding my utmost exertions to recover it again — and being commanded of the Lord that I should not translate the same over again, for Satan had put it into their hearts to tempt the Lord their God, by altering the words, that they did read contrary from that which I translated and caused to be written; and if I should bring forth the same words again, or, in other words, if I should translate the same over, they would publish that which they had stolen, and Satan would stir up the hearts of this generation, that they might not receive this work: but behold, the Lord said unto me, I will not suffer that Satan shall accomplish his evil design in this thing: therefore thou shalt translate from the plates of Nephi, until ye come to that which ye have translated... I will shew unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the Devil." (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, Preface)
16. Immediately after the death of Muhammad and Smith, a fight broke out from among the "faithful converts" as to who would succeed Muhammad and Smith. Both groups were plunged into irreparable division that has endured ever since. Islam and Mormonism both have squabbles among themselves as to who is the one true splinter group of their prophet!
17. Mormons, contrary to "baptize the dead" by gathering genealogies of all men who lived on earth. This contradicts the Bible: "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless." Tit 3:9 While the Bible says avoid focusing in Genealogies, the Mormon church makes it their central focus of mission. Mormons have even been criticized for baptizing, by proxy, the Jews had died in Nazi Holocaust camps. When lists of genealogies are collected, living Mormons are baptized, on behalf of, those on the lists, who have already died. In this way, Mormons view every man who lived, as being Mormons. In the same way Muslims claim that all men are born Muslims and when they learn the truth of Christianity, they are apostatizing from their first faith. Muslims re-write history by proclaiming Jesus and the Apostles were Muslims in a similar way Mormons baptize Jews (for example) with the expectation they will be Mormons in the next life. Yet gathering of large genealogical lists no more makes dead people Mormons in the next life, than re-writing history makes Jesus into a Muslim.
18. Both the Islam and Mormon religions have those who follow the "original doctrine" of the founding leaders and like these founding leaders, are violent, polygamists, and have revelations justifying their evil actions. -
inquirer
Smiles,
You had a link to http://thetruereligion.org/... That's insulting the name of the site! (not having a go at your Smiles!)
The true religion is paying your taxes to ceasar (George Bush, John Howard, Tony Blair...), obeying road signs, social etiquette.... Those sort of things are the true religion, you know? WE are not going to sort out in this life the true religion by the "correct" Holy Book. I believe I heard this a lot as a JW that not all would be believers, which is true. It comes from the heart.
My personal view is, one day (when the new system comes) everyone (according to my belief) will be Christian. But now now!!! In the mean time we should live a normal life and be good citizens, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Pagan (or New Age.) The afterlife is religious superannuation! :D
Getting back to other perspective, we ask God for help if the religion we are praying about is the true religion. God gave us a brain... and we have ample time to figure that out -- and we have all of forever in the afterlife to be taught the "right" religion. This Internet thingy is a good examle of how it will help us to our paths of spirituality. But most people religious or not, are worried about putting "food on the table" in this life...
Sorry, you got me started on something! :D LOL -
inquirer
Shining One,
We see no Jews nor Christians strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up as many innocents as they can.
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Before bombs were invented, how did Muslims "suicide bomb" if you get my drift? :D Did they do that thing like with Saul (I think it was him?) He stuck a sword in his chest and suicided? -
Shining One
Then get back to the subject and quit the whining, Dan:
We see no Jews nor Christians strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up as many innocents as they can. There is no teaching in Judaism or Christianity that says sacrificing yourself and taking enemies with you is even sanctioned, much less a guarantee of heaven.
In Christianity it is up to God to 'settle accounts', not man. Islam is a billion person cult. Their beliefs are cultic and in many ways match the Watchtower and LDS. You have nothing to fear from fundamentalists, if you did we wouldn't be having this conversation. If you lived in the wonderful world of Islam you would NOT be able to get away with whatever it is you do.
I hope for your sake you aren't in western Europe. As the Islamic population expands, they will be seeing the results of pandering to radical fundamentalists. All this whining about diversity and political correctness is going to come back to haunt them. It's ironic that those who are elitists and look down on Christians will probably have to bailed out by a Christian country (again).
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DanTheMan
You're addressing an argument that I never made.
It's not the actions of Xtian vs. Islamic fundies that I'm talking about. It's the core mentality that is the same. Which you only confirmed when you said the following:
your problem is with God, not with me. I simply told you what the scripture says.
In other words, your ancient magic book says that Big bad angy g0d's gonna give me a royal ass-whoopin', right? As far as my having "nothing to fear" from fundamentalists, I've got another simple yes/no question for you. Do you consider yourself to be a dominionist?
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RubaDub
At least the JW men don' t have to wear those funny little hats like the guy down at the gas station.
Rub a Dub
