"Accurate Knowledge" - I must have heard that phrase at every meeting I ever attended, and I went to a lot. I used to think that taking it in was just about the most important thing I could do. Now I just think it's typical jw bs, like most of the things they say. And if there is a link between accurate knowledge and praising God, I fail to see it.
What does 'accurate knowledge' have to do with worship and praise?
by AK - Jeff 22 Replies latest jw friends
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Honesty
Accurate knowledge is essential for you to be considered 'spiritually mature' and a 'pillar in the congregation'.
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Star Moore
Dear Jeff,
You know, I've been having the same conflict about the 'knowledge' thing... The GB has fudged this scripture..apparently, because every other bible says different.
John 17:3 "This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you and your son."
All other bibles: "This means everlasting life, their knowing you and your son."
There are alot of ways to get to know God and Jesus beside reading the bible..I wholeheartly agree.
I Cor. 13:8 "Love never fails....If there are prophesies, they will be brought to nothing;if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing." So in the end, Jeff, knowledge and prophesies won't mean diddley squat. Right? Another words,
Knowledge is not what God will be looking at, in the end.
Also there is the idea, that we can't earn our way to God..rather it's a gift..
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moggy lover
I hate to appear severly critical of the WT Movement since it can give their followers the impression that the people who review their doctrines are unnnessarily ''splitting hairs'' - but the expression "accurate knowledge" is a legacy of Fred Franz, once defined as the "oracle" of the WTS, and the chief architect of their New World "Translation" of the Bible.
Franz saw a difference between two Greek nouns in the NT: Ginosis and Epiginosis. As can be seen, the only difference between the two is that the second word has a prefix "epi" which in Greek is a preposition. To Freddy, the first simply meant "knowledge" per se, but the second was "Knowledge" with an intesifying prefix, hence a kind of intensive knowledge defined by its "accuracy" Since he perceived himself to be the final repository of all accurate "truth" regarding the Bible, Franz decided to "translate" epiginosis as "AK" in such crucial places as Eph 1:17. The implication was clear: Only in the bowels of the secretive WT movement can one find such Accuracy in Bible knowledge, all of course courtesy of Franz himself.
In fact the majority of scholars with far humbler pretensions, disageed with Franz. Most Lexicons today either will acknowledge that there is no significant shift in emphasis between the two words, [they often cite the Greek Sept translation of the OT which clearly shows that the Greeks themselves saw no difference. At Hosea 4:1 for instance, the word "epiginosis" is used and the WT "translation" has "knowledge"] or they may feel that if there is such a subtle shift then the emphasis is more on "completeness" rather than on "accuracy" It is clear from the context of Eph 1:17, cited above, for instance, that Paul's concern was that the Ephesians may get the "complete'' picture of the Christian message, since the picture already given to them by other evangelists before him was indeed already accurate.
In fact in the "Ad book, pg 1013, ["Insight" vol 2 pg 181] the anonymous writer cites 3 seperate Bible translations to support the Franz contention that "epiginosis" should be translated "AK": The 20th Cent NT, Rothermam, and Darby. The deceitful thing is that NONE of these use the expression "AK'' they all use variations of "complete" or "full knowledge"
Franz was'nt even consistent. The word "epiginosis" occurs 20 times in the NT, and of these, the NW ''Translation" has used the expression "AK" 19 times. In one place, however, Franz had to admit that the expression simply could not fit. This was at Philemon 6, where he used "acknowledging" thus implying that his boastful emphasis on "AK" was misplaced.
If Franz made a meal of the noun "epigionsis" his "translation" of the verb, "epiginosko" was outageously inconsistent. The verb occurs 43 times and Franz "translated" the word no less than 15 seperate ways. In fact only on 5 occasions did he translate the verb with "accurate" in the rendering. [ at 1 Cor 13:12 he has "know accurately" while at Col 1:6, 1Tim 4:3, and 2Pet 2:21, twice, he reverses the infinitve and uses "accurately know"] On 4 occassions he acknowledged that the verb means "to know FULLY" because that is how he rendered Matt 11:21 twice, Lu 1:4, and Ac 22:24
The Word of God is too big an organism to be manipulated for ones own selfish advantage, and the WTS is discovering this when examiners are uncovering the deception inherent in this "Translation" and the legacy that Franz has left behind is a tattered, ruined, shambles. Truly theirs is a god that failed
Cheers
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whyizit
Praise and Worship = INTIMATE, PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE (a relationship!)
Accurate Knowledge = Intellectual Knowledge, from reading "about" someone or something. (Ask the Pharisees about this one. They had lots of it.)
Example: A sports fan has a favorite baseball player. He reads all kinds of facts about this person. Knows all his statistics. Collects his memorabilia. Etc....
This same baseball player has a son he adopted. The kid hangs out with him, eats dinner with him, talks directly to him every day.
Which of the two REALLY knows the baseball player? The guy who has a bunch of books about him, or the kid who is with him every day and is a member of his family?
How do you know Jesus or Jehovah? Do you talk to them every day?
It's good to know the facts straight from the Bible, but it doesn't help at all if you don't have the relationship!
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AK - Jeff
Thanx Moggy Lover for that. I had not heard of what you stated there [not that scholarly about this matter I guess]. But your statements make good sense. Thanx
Whyizit - perfectly stated.
Jeff
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IP_SEC
Yep, if the JDubs are right humanity is in quite a pickle arent we?
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TresHappy
I always felt that missing at a Kingdom Hall - worship and praise. It was more like a college religious course. And those songs, OMG!
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Apostate Kate
The first time I heard contemporary Christian music I was here; Harvest Online;
I can't begin to describe the feelings inside me when I heard the words of praise and sang with them. It was a new experience. A new beautiful aspect of the relationship I had with my Maker. I get into a state of deep worship that opens a line up to God that transends all physical matter.
I'm still worshiping and praising Him since that first day at Harvest in 1992. There is no comparison to "Kingdom Melodies". ...from house to house from door to door Jehovah's word WE spread...
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AK - Jeff
With you on that Apostate Kate.
I listen to Contemporary Christian Music all the time now. I listen to it in my car and in my home. I haven't had the 'transcendent experience' you mention, but I get a downdeep feeling of closeness to God.
I can barely tolerate the idea of Kingdom Melodies anymore, though I was for decades the loudest and best voiced in our hall. I think even then I wanted the praise and worship that music can offer, but I was in the wrong venue.
Jeff
