Would you fight and possibly die for your country?

by free2beme 57 Replies latest jw friends

  • trevor
    trevor

    Garybuss said:

    My country doesn't need anybody to fight or die for it ever, it's just dirt and rock and water.


    This is true so free2beme, you must be referring to the people that live in a country.

    I live in the UK and the huge influx of people immigrating here both legal and illegally, amounts to an invasion of this small island by foreigners. We are expected to, ‘just take it and accept the invasion…’

    This shows that there is more than one way to invade a country and rob it of it’s identity and culture. Why fight a war to keep out foreign people and then let them in slowly through the back door?

    Of course Britain knows all about invading other countries and were thrown out by the Americans for wearing those bright red coats. The native American Indians also know all about invasion.

    t

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    I would assist in a defensive war, but never in an offensive war.

  • ignored_one
    ignored_one

    Trevor,

    You voting BNP on May 4th then?

  • EAGLE-1
    EAGLE-1

    If invaded I will fight but only to make them die.Not for country but my family and friends and just people like all of you.Flags and gods mean nothing to me.

  • trevor
    trevor

    Ignored_one - didn't mean to ignore you!

    In my post I did not give and opinion on invasion by foreigners. What I asked was, 'Why fight a war to keep out foreign people and then let them in slowly through the back door?'

  • White Waves
    White Waves

    We are well armed and not afraid to use it, if need be. I would not hesitate to kill in self-defense. Really, if the country was invaded and the citizens all waited for the gov't to save our butts, there would be more lost and perhaps all. Natural disasters like Hurrican Katrina show you can't expect governments to come through for their people. Just like a personal attack, invasion of country is personal. If not stopped, it would mean the end of life as you know it. Each citizen would need to do what they could to stop it. I understand many couldn't kill another but there would be something each person could do to rally up a strong fight.

  • ignored_one
    ignored_one

    Trevor,

    Shame we can't swap some hard working immigrants for our sponging, trouble making low life chavs.

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    For my country, yes. For someone else's country...not so much. It would depend on the situation.

    I would also take up arms against our own government to exercise the reset button built into the Constitution, if the situation warranted. When our government forgets that it exists by and for us, we have cause to remind it—and legal justification for doing so.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • Tea4Two
    Tea4Two
    I would also take up arms against our own government to exercise the reset button built into the Constitution, if the situation warranted. When our government forgets that it exists by and for us, we have cause to remind it—and legal justification for doing so.

    Respectfully,

    AuldSoul

    AuldSoul, There are so many stories going around out there about our country....."the consprisy theroy" and so forth...that our founding Fathers were "Freemasons" "The new world Order" "Skull& Bones" As though the United States Constitution was bassed upon a lie and we the citizens are being duped like the WTS duped us all. I don't know what to believe anymore.

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Tea4Two,

    I have read the Constitution, I have read the documents that led to the war for independence from the rule of the King, I have read the letters and speeches of the patriots who stirred the nations sentiment toward freedom from the shackles of tyranny, I have read the writings many of the early founders (including some of the lesser known founders) who wrote their reasons and wrote of their fears in taking the steps they were taking.

    They knew they were committing treason. They knew there was a chance that they would lose. They knew they were risking their lives to spawn this nation. They knew that there was a grave risk that the Republic they envisioned would devolve into tyranny of Law which would rival the tyranny of Kings, and put into place preventive mechanisms to guard against that potential. We can read of Martha Washington's (Queen Martha's) campaign to raise up her husband as King over the new land.

    Mrs. Powell asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" He responded, "We have a republic, if we can keep it." Our republic is adminstrated by democratically elected officials, but once elected the democratic portion of the process is over and they begin to govern within a republic. That is why the pledge of allegiance includes, "...and to the Republic for which it stands..." it is a pledge to the rule of law on which the United States of America is based. If those in positions of great power offend the rule of law, those who have pledged allegiance to that rule have an obligation to act in harmony with their pledge.

    No man who is a citizen of this nation is above that rule, from the President, to the janitor at your child's elementary school, to the wino who panhandles on the corner. The rule of law was envisioned as the great equalizer, it is through this rule that we can witness and choose to reaffirm that all men are created equal. It is through this rule that the saying has become more meaningful over time, so that we can now say all humankind are created equal.

    Knowing the development of this nation, I have to discount the conspiracy theories as the result selective examination of facts from a 20th and 21st century perspective. The founders were risking their lives, bravely putting their names on a document that was made public and which would have been all the cause needed to kill them as treasoners to the throne if their effort failed.

    Without the animosity between the French and British at the time, our declaration of independence and Constitution would have been nothing more than a footnote in history books as a quelled rebellion, and we would be singing "God Save the Queen" on important days in British history. George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams (writer of the Constitution and diplomat to France and Holland), Roger Sherman, Robert Livingston, Paul Revere, and Patrick Henry would be villains of the tale, instead of heros.

    Because of that animosity, the French gave us muskets and cannon, without which we could not have withstood the British. Because of that animosity, the French naval fleets ran interference with the British armada to help us supply goods where needed along our coastline, without which our troops would have starved and frozen.

    Understanding how tenuous our grasp on freedom was, it is beyond imagining that these men were concerned with some grand scheme along the lines of an illuminati style conspiracy. They were fighting for their lives after signing that document. In my opinion, only selective analysis of facts taken out of temporal context could lead someone to another conclusion.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

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