by AGuest 100 Replies latest jw friends
Lets cut Shelby a little slack, come on whatda ya say.
Shell,
I still have my doubts but you have made a lotta sense yesterday and I have to say sorry for any trouble I may have caused you.
I may feel different latter but for now except my appologies.
When a 2 year old asks a complicated question how do you answer?
How long have you LIVED and how long has God LIVED?100000000 to .0000000001
Who is like God?
:Lets cut Shelby a little slack, come on whatda ya say.
Absolutely not. I want answers.
Julie
May you all have peace!
Shelby, ALL these people commenting/responding to you DO Have Piece...
a 'piece of their mind', which they've shared with you
and which you have wholesale ignored!
I am sorry for the 'delay',
:::snick!::: yeah, just couldn't pull yourself away from that pool of water in which you and Narcissus were admiring your reflections.
Yeah, I bet you're sorry for your delay...
but I could not proceed until directed... yes?
Yes?Yes? - - - Hell, NO!
You could have typed out responses to the hard questions these good folks like Julie and Rex and Pavilion and others, put to you, ANYTIME.
You ignored them.
Did your Evil, Unclean, Seducing Schpirit "direct" you to ignore all the forthright questions put to you??
Especially I bet your "schpirit" wanted you to ignore the question as to why you weren't given advance warning of Tuesday's Horrific Tragedies... when this "schpirit" had filled your noggin with the most trivial gooble-de-goop one could imagine.
"Take a trip to Phony Las Vegas" "Take a thermos of Illegal Alcohol with you" "Wash Stinky Feet" "Decode Glossolalia Ghoulash in an Occult Ceremony"... and then report back to me!"
I'm a Christian, so don't see eye-to-eye on everything with my bud, Farkel, but man is he ever right when he says that all you are slinging... oh, excuse me, "are directed" to sling
is the Biggest Load of Bullshit!
From the other day... do you REALLY go around calling yourself a "messiah", Shelby? or a "mini-messiah". (Makes me think of the Austin Powers movie where the Evil Dude has the little joker who is the "mini-Me"...)
You're full of yourself, Shelby.
Why'd you brag about washing those smelly feet as an act of mercy?
You Completely Invalidated this act of kindness by publicizing it.
You never responded to me on that one.
You don't respond to a lot.
I know, I know, it's the "schpirit" who directs you what to say or who to respond to or not. What a KONVENIENT Fall-Guy! (just like a Kult-Kop-Out)
Never responded about the speaking in tongues crap and how you KNEW it was in Chinese, Hebrew and Aramaic... even though you don't read, write or speak those languages... you told me: "I KNOW what I heard. TRUST me on this!"
Why the hell should I "trust" you on anything? I don't know you. Haven't got a clue as to who you really are, but I am supposed to "trust you". I think not. That was a GREAT Governing Body imitation you did. Just Great! jWs are supposed to believe and trust every thing which comes out of their mouths or from their pages.
Shit!
Bullshit!
People bet their lives on that "trust" they put in the Governing Body of the Watchtower, because they claim, like you, to be a channel for some schpirit to direct them and their Organization.
That 'speaking in tongues Mumbo-Jumbo' you decoded/translated could have been the headline article of any newspaper anywhere about suffering in Israel, Macedonia, Africa, Northern Ireland... Anywhere. (and now, NYC)
You are as Full of Shit as the "Schpirit" who is Sucker-Punching you around.
That Charismatic desire (and the feel of its power) of yours, Shelby, to receive extra biblical revelations, has opened the door to the occult for you and it looks as if you've succumbed and entered.
And like those who practice the Occult, the thin veneer of righteousness you can maintain only for so long, and then the darkness is revealed. I've noticed lately your veneer is peeling away. Anyone who is criticizing you or expressing disagreement... you've warned them about "blasphemy" and "their words being recorded" (taking notes and kicking butt?) and "there will be recompense" and have called them "wolves attacking you".
You are the one which fits the "wolf" description, only your sheep's covering is falling off, or you're growing out of it, or it's just ill-fitting.
Been showing those Sharp Teeth of your'n a little bit lately, huh Shel?
You oughta start thinking hard about (my way of warning you) not falling into that future crowd who will plea: "Lord, Lord, did we not speak in your name, etc."
You wrote to me the other day, that the words "Messiah=Christ"... so HOW could you have a "Messiah-Complex", when your are the Messiah, a messiah - whatever!
Yeah, yeah, the root meaning of those words means 'anointed' - so what?
The way those words are understood in the popular culture and language...
well, shuge, I'd advise you NOT to go around calling yourself a "Messiah",
or "messiah" (people can't see the lower-case 'm', when you speak)
and
remember,
there are FALSE Christs and Messiahs, as the Real One warned...
May the undeserved kindness and mercy of my God and Father, jAH OF ARMIES,
As I expressed above, you still have an affinity for the Watchtower and the way its "schpirit-directed" Leaders do business... and as reflected above, you STILL use their language.
Why do you say "undeserved kindness", instead of using the word 'grace' ?
See?
This language is peculiar to the Obscene PerVersion "bible" the Kult uses, known as the New World Translation... as is "jah-Of-Armies".
Shelby, STILL a Kultist at heart. Come out of the Occult Frying Pan and land smack dab into the Occult Fire.
Hell no, I ain't kutting you no slack, Kultist.
ANSWER THE DAMNED QUESTIONS!
or tell your "schpirit" flunkie to put some words in your sponge mind.
Doctor Dogpatch was probably right in his Diagnosis of you, in that people so afflicted, rarely respond and will not listen or be taught, as they are HARDENED in their Narcissism - so I won't be wasting any more time on you.
I will, however, continue to pray for you.
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Dearest Julie... may you have peace... and dear one, I answered the question. In truth... and in quite some detail. If you did not 'hear' and/or 'get the sense of it'... I am not sure how to proceed from here. Perhaps you can review what I was given to share... and tell me SPECIFICALLY what you did not understand. Okay? Okay. And, again, peace to you.
DWilt... peace to you, too... and you've always been 'okay' in MY 'book'. It is my wish that you... and everyone else here... is also named in my Lord's book as well. And he hasn't let me down yet, so...
SIGH! Tom... Tally. I have a story to tell you. It is about my brother and I, one who I raised from a toddler. He was my life... for many years... and I his. At one point, however, our relationship changed. What happened? After about six years in the Navy, the brother that I had acquaintance with was no longer the brother that I had known for 20-some years. I don't know what happened to him, but after being ordered into military service (versus prison, for gang affiliation, etc.), he 'changed'. He drank a lot more, which led to him being a bit more... ummmmm, 'angry'. I watched someone go from being gentle as a lamb, to angry, abusive and violent. But NEVER toward me. Until one day. (And no, of course I don't blame it all on the Navy; he was, after all, gang affiliated.)
On this day, I showed up at his door to get some money owed me by his 'fiancee'. I had two small children to feed and needed the money for food. Well, you know how it goes when people owe you money and don't want to pay... I had to be the 'bad guy'... putting them in a 'bad' situation. They didn't have it, and I... 'should [have been] more understanding.'
Well, things got out of hand, Tom. REALLY out of hand. QUITE out of hand... until at some point (and I TRULY don't remember how we 'got' here...), I was staring down the barrel of a .357 Magnum. Yup. Scared the HELL out of me. But... this was my brother. And, while I did believe he was going to shoot me... I was NOT going to let HIM... go out like that. Why? Because I loved him... as much, if not more... than I loved myself.
So, what? So, for all of your hatred and maligning of me, I have not done so to you. I have not judged you or even considered to judge you, one way or another. But... for all we DON'T have in common, we DO have one thing in common: dealing with irrational people, to the point of it meaning our lives.
My point, Tom? That we have been the pretty much the same situation (oh, certainly, there was 'more to it', but for the sake of brevity, I haven't gone into it...). So, I KNOW from where I speak when I say... STOP judging me... for I have NOT... judged you.
May you have ears to hear... and may you accept the love and peace I ALWAYS offer you.
A slave of Christ,
SJ
Hi Shelby
May you have peace.
"It takes two to speak the truth -- one to speak, and another to
hear."
---Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
Tallyman:
In describing the "spirit" that "afflicts" Shelby you used a few adjectives. You consider yourself a Christian. Reread the post you just directed towards this woman, then consider the words Jesus used when he said that out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. Evil, unclean, schitzo? Indeed! Misplaced anger is not healthy.
You never responded to me on that one.
You don't respond to a lot.
Wisdom on her part.
ONE....
bigboi
"life's a bitch a with a g-string and a twelve pack of Busch."
Hi Shelby--dear one,
I 'searched' your 'replies' and found no 'answer' to my 'post'. I saw nothing that is even 'related' to the really 'sick shit' (a.k.a. scripture) I 'posted' to you. Here it is again, in case you 'forgot' what it was 'about':
Judges 4:21
And Jael the wife of Heber proceeded to take a pin of the tent and to put the hammer into her hand. Then she went to him stealthily and drove the pin through his temples and beat it into the earth while he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.
Judges 5:24-26
Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite will be most blessed among women, among women in the tent she will be most blessed. Water he asked, milk she gave; In the large banquet bowl of majestic ones she presented curdled milk. Her hand to the tent pin she then thrust out, and her right hand ot the mallet of hard workers. And she hammered Sisera, she pierced his head through, and she broke apart and cut up his temples.
My question is: If I drive a tent spike through the temples of some guy's head can I too be "most blessed among women in the tent"?
I will take a direct 'answer' whenever you 'hear' your voices in your 'head'.
'Thanks'--
Julie
BigBoy,
(hey, won't that the name of some big greasy cheeseburger years ago?)
why is it you're always hacking up hairballs on behalf of Shelby?
Isn't her "schpirit" strong enuff to take care of her?
Tallyman:
In describing the "spirit" that "afflicts" Shelby...
Okay.
So, you acknowledge her affliction.
Least we're on the same page on that ONE....
Proceed.
You consider yourself a Christian.
Yuh-huh.
Reread the post you just directed towards this woman, then consider the words Jesus used when he said that out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. Evil, unclean, schitzo? Indeed! Misplaced anger is not healthy.
I don't need to re-read something I just wrote, BBoy.
I've considered Jesus' words, some of them Rough Stuff... and tried to use some of Jesus words in the past week to warn Shelby, that she has been seduced by an Unclean (hence Evil) Spirit.
Righteous Indignation is healthy.
What is not healthy for Shelby or the cause of Christianity is for her to give herself over to this seductive spirit and spout off all these nonsense... and refuse to answer legitimate questions from folks here, that probably are trying to help her.
Snap her out of it!
You never responded to me on that one.
You don't respond to a lot.Wisdom on her part.
What do you mean "her part"?
I thought it was the "schpirit" what tolt her if she could respond or not... and I KNOW that "schpirit" didn't want to respond to me.
ONE....
You got NINETEEN.... more toes and fingers to go, big fellow!
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pssssst... Julie... you ain'ts gonna gets no answer.
w a s t i n g - y o u r - t i m e .
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Dearest Okidok... and BigMan... may the undeserved kindness and peace of my God and Father, JAH OF ARMIES, and the peace of His Christ, my Lord, be upon you both... if you so wish it... to time indefinite.
Tom... so that I do not use my 'mouth' to both 'bless AND curse', as it appears you find no problem doing... I will 'refrain' from responding to you at this point. For in truth, you said nothing worth responding to, anyway.
Dearest Julie... may you have peace... and may you know and understand that in ALL truth... I had not yet received an answer until earlier today. Seriously. And so until then, I didn't even entertain your question. But, my Lord has condescended to make a reply. Thus, the word of my Lord to you, in answer to your question is:
It depends. On what? On whether you had 'license' to kill such individual in such a way... or whether you did not. If you did, which means you were obeying my Father... the ONLY One who can GRANT such 'license'... for ALL life belongs to HIM and only HE is the One who can grant it to be taken away (Job 1:12; 2:6)... (even by Death, for even Death is subject to Him)... then you would have no 'bloodguilt'. And yes, you would be considered 'blessed among women,' not only for having the courage to commit the act, but for your FAITH (and resultant obedience) in carrying it out. And you would be 'without sin', for faith is a fruit of my Father's spirit... and 'against such things, there is NO law.'
IF, however, you chose to take it upon yourself, and take such a life... WITHOUT 'license'... and indeed, even more, if such life was 'innocent'... no... you would not be 'blessed among women,' for you took... what was not yours to take. You would then be 'with' sin... and require forgiveness. Which could be granted, if you asked for it out of a pure motive, such motive being true contriteness and regret for your 'error'.
And granting of such forgiveness would depend on whether or not your heart... was 'pure'. If it was not, then no forgiveness could be granted, for you acted out of MALICE and HATRED... and willfully so. The 'ransom', then, would possess no 'value' by means of YOUR act... and YOUR 'unclean' heart... and thus, would not 'cover' you.
So do not be misled: the undeserved kindness and mercy of my Father is NOT to be taken lightly. It is not as if we can use it as an EXCUSE for 'loose conduct', and think that we can do what we want and be forgiven... automatically. It is weakness of the flesh that is covered, not deliberate sin born of an underestimation of the 'value' of my Lord's sacrifice. Indeed, the sacrifice provided by my Lord will 'cover' ANY sin, save blasphemy against the holy spirit... as long as such 'sin' is not HIDDEN, and... as long NO malice or hatred was involved.
If it was the result of an act of love, however, like saving a loved one perhaps... then it is 'covered'... for love 'covers a multitude of transgressions' AND as another 'fruit' of my Father's spirit... there is no 'law'... against love. That is the very reason why my Father could kill those who persecuted Israel. For He LOVED Israel and, as He said: "He that is touching YOU... is touching MY eyeball."
I, myself, have spoken it to you, just as I have heard it from my Lord, the Son of God, JAHESHUA MISHCAJAH, by means of holy spirit.
I bid you peace.
A slave of Christ,
SJ
Tom,
You are way kewl. I don't have to comment specifically on what you said. Suffice to say, you NAILED it with the ego and prima donna mindset and all of that. (You know what I mean.)
You can pitch your tent in my camp any day of the week. And if you don't have a tent, I'll go steal one or beg for one for you!
Your long-time pal and a pal forever,
Farkel
"When in doubt, duck!"
