Celebrated WT scholars? :)

by Augustin 184 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    I really feel sorry for Scholar.

    He desperately tries to defend the undefendable. Attributing scholars to the wbts that do not exist. Is so difficult for him to proove, that he ends up stating that these scholars are recieving information and help from and through the fds.

    When one examines their history of predictions and nonsensical rules and regulations that flip flop now and again. One can only have pity on this poor man.

    It is very difficult and damaging to scholars emotional well being, when he has to prove the worthiness of a worthless organization with worthless information thought up by worthless people.

    Those of us that may still pray to God ought to pray for Scholars well being and that God forgives him for transmitting useless information that he feels is useful.

    For he truly knows no better and needs forgiving.

    Outoftheorg

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    scholar pretendus goatus buggerus whined:

    : You are an outsider

    Best believe it! By intelligent choice I have rejected the disgusting lies told by the Watchtower Society and the JW Governing Body, and have judged that anyone who blindly -- meaning in spite of certain knowledge of their lies and sick actions -- sticks to these fake Christian leaders is not worthy of consideration.

    : and do not have any knowledge of our organization or how it functions.

    Of course I do. I grew up a JW and had intimate association with certain Bethelites. I've also had intimate conversations with many former Bethelites who became as disgusted with WT leaders as I am, and who have revealed all manner of the inner workings of the Watchtower.

    For example, several former officials confirmed that Governing Body member Leo Greenlees was removed from the GB in 1984 for molesting a young boy. Greenlees was in his 70s at that time, and it is obvious that he had been a homosexual child molester for decades -- men don't become such for the first time in their 70s. So when Greenlees was invited to become a Watchtower Society director in the early 1960s, and then appointed a GB member in 1971, it is obvious that Jehovah had nothing to do with his appointment -- unless you argue that this oh-so-moral God approves of homosexual pedophiles. Yet one of the Society's key doctrines is that all GB members are directly appointed by Holy Spirit. And of course, so are all elders. Thus, it is proved that this key doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses is false. Since it is false, the Society is falsely teaching that Jehovah has appointed its leaders to their positions of spiritual authority, thus making the men who teach this false teachers, and the organization that sponsors them a "false prophet" organization. Therefore, no true Christian ought to have anything to do with Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Now, you have known for some time that Leo Greenlees was a homosexual child molester, and yet you still claim that the Society's leaders are not only led by Holy Spirit, but include among them "celebrated WT scholars". Therefore you are not a Christian, but a pretender. You have proved false to your claim to worship the God of truth. As the Bible so aptly describes, you have a form of faith but have proved false to its power.

    : You are by your admission an agnostic which says much about your Christian heritage and upbringing

    Actually what it says about me is that I had the guts to critically examined what I was taught as a vulnerable and naive child, and conclude that much of it was a pack of lies. You, on the other hand, happily accept that a homosexual child molester was appointed to a position of spiritual authority by the Holy Spirit, and you worship the men who actually appointed him, and who failed to disfellowship him for gross immorality.

    : and you have no spiritual outlook or vision.

    Really. As an agnostic, I have a far more mature spiritual outlook than someone like you who has betrayed Christianity by attributing the approval of a homosexual child molester to the Holy God you claim to worship. Furthermore, I do not engage in the kind of gross lying that is your hallmark, and that of the Watchtower Society.

    All things considered, even as an agnostic, in moral terms I'm a far better better Christian than you because you've deliberately betrayed Christian principles by committing gross idolatry with a manmade organization.

    : I care nought about your opinions of the 'celebrated WT scholars' and you are quite free to have your own opinions about this matter.

    Indeed. But my expressions about these fake scholars are based on fact, whereas yours are demonstrably based on lies and wishful thinking.

    : I frankly could not care less about what you think because you are an apostate, a person without hope, faith and love.

    A better example of your reduction to having nothing more with which to respond than simple-minded ad hominems can hardly be found.

    : Regarding your posts 4466 and 4468 I have told you repeatedly that I will attend to such matters at my own convenience and not yours.

    And regarding such "attendance", you have for years repeatedly shown that you're making mere excuses and have no intention of dealing with my demolishing of your stupidities, lies and general scholastic ineptitudes. You've been shown to lie about the content of source references, to have no actual idea of what such references say, and even to lie about what the Bible says. You will never respond to those posts or any others you've ignored for years.

    : Such opinions are not of great priority

    Of course, because you know you have no answers.

    : and because everyone sucks up to you and thinks you are are so great does not impress me in the slightest. Your buffoonery, ill manners and lack of respect reflects poorly on your character as a man and a person who was once exposed tol Christian virtue. You should take stock of youself and wake up to yourself.

    I think that all readers can see what a loon you are.

    : As I have said when I am good and ready your pleas of help

    LOL!

    : will be attended to in a Christlike manner

    You've certainly displayed such a manner in this thread.

    : so you must exercise patience. Scholar has to reply to many other posts on this forum and has a busy life of study, work, service, meetings, research, writing, contemplation, meditation and other good works and noble deeds.

    Talk about a buffoon! You're about the most stupidly arrogant man I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with. Of course, you get this from your Mommy, who even though its officials are like whitewashed graves on the outside, are the same on the inside -- full of all sorts of disgusting things. You yourself demonstrate this admirably, and as I've said so many times, are the very best anti-JW shill I've ever come across. Keep up the good work!

    AlanF

  • Pistoff
    Pistoff

    As usual, "scholar" wants it both ways.

    He wants to trumpet his own credentials to boost his opinions about the WT's dates.

    Trouble is, NO OTHER SCHOLAR, (real ones this time) that is not a witness, agrees with him.

    So of what use are the credentials, scholar?? Hundreds of other scholars with a higher pedigree than yours reject the WT's spurious claims about 607.


    Your degree has not enabled you to ADD. The arithmetic is simple; add up the years that even the society lists, and you will never come up with 607. EVER.


    So, your trumpeting of your credentials is both disingenuous and self defeating. Others with more schooling than you have come to different conclusions; you ignore that. And you respond to simple arithmetical solutions by saying that the solution lies in just trusting the society.


    Face it: you are out of options, and out of your league.

  • scholar
    scholar

    Leolaia

    7269

    So, what is your point?

    It is a fine thing to see that you are fully benefiting from the research of celebrated WT scholars in company with the appointed 'celebrated' faithful and discreet slave.

    scholar JW

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    Scholar has to reply to many other posts on this forum and has a busy life of study, work, service, meetings, research, writing, contemplation, meditation and other good works and noble deeds.

    HUMILITY ISNT ONE OF THEM I SEE

  • Mary
    Mary

    Scholar, you're a dickhead and your pathetic attempt at trying to justify the WTS's bogus interpretation of the scriptures is a joke for all the world to see.....why don't you change your avatar to something more suitable:

    IfIOnlyHadaBrain.jpg

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    What is my point? Does it really need to be explained?

    The Society specifically warns you not to exalt and praise men and their achievements, as such would constitute idolatry and is held to be offensive to Jehovah. Even applauding a little too long after a person gives a talk veers towards creature worship, so they say. Yet what do you do? You laud and celebrate the "brilliant" WT scholars at every chance you get. You shower accolades for their "genius" or describe Fred Franz as the most brilliant Bible scholar who's ever lived. So not only do you post on an "apostate" message board, but your postings are full of "creature worship".

    Lest there be any doubt, consider that the 1 May 1955 Watchtower claimed that the early Bible students "indulged in considerable creature worship," and in a footnote directed the reader to pp. 356-370 of the 1916 volume of the Watchtower, i.e. the 1 December 1916 issue which gave eulogies for the late Pastor Russell. What were some of the things said? Consider J. F. Rutherford's remark: "The greatest man that has lived the Apostle Paul has passed from the earth" (p. 373), or the remark by C. A. Wise that Russell was "the greatest Bible scholar since the days of the apostles" (p. 370). Sound familiar?

    Finally, I will quote one of your earlier posts (#840):

    I thank you for your criticism. Scholar is a dummy and not very bright at anythning and that is why he is unworthy of being credited as one of those 'celebrated WT scholars'. Scholar hangs his head in shame but the only time he can raise his head is when he ably defends Wt biblical chronology and so he does have some purpose after all.

    Compare this with what the Society says here:

    *** w68 5/15 p. 310 Beware of Idolizing Creatures ***

    What accounts for this ‘perpetual fact of creature worship,’ as it has been called? Among the various causes that might be mentioned is a feeling of unworthiness on the part of some. This feeling causes them to regard with unreasoning admiration those who have distinguished themselves in such things as music, sports, science or war. It is as if by exalting a fellow human creature they are lifting themselves up also.—Rom. 1:25.

    I think it is time for you to pray to Jehovah, ask for forgiveness, and have a talk with an elder you trust on how to best repent from your behavior.

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    A suggestion: why not give the 607 vs 587 debate a rest and focus on the soundness of its corollary. the day-for-a-year, Nebuchadnezzar eating grass for seven times, etc fantasy.?

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    A suggestion: why not give the 607 vs 587 debate a rest and focus on the soundness of its corollary. the day-for-a-year, Nebuchadnezzar eating grass for seven times, etc fantasy.?

  • scholar
    scholar

    Leolaia

    7269

    Scholar is crushed and truly humbled by your solid and firm counsel coming from our wonderful faithful and discreet slave so does this mean that you too are humbled and will now follow the teachings and advice of that faithful slave? Will your future postings demonstrate that you have been converted and now accept all of the teachings as set forth in the official publications of that slave class?

    scholar JW

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