Celebrated WT scholars? :)

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  • scholar
    scholar

    Jeffro

    All that you have brought is a tired rehash of the Jonsson hypothesis with its foolish claims concerning the seventy years which are not accepted by scholars. Scholars have no unified view about the seventy years or 587 so your view along with Jonsson is just small piece of the pie.

    There is certainly ambiguity when there is no harmony of views concerning secular chronology and the exegesis of the seventy years and that is of their doing. The Society's chronology is based upon evidence both biblical and secular and harmonizes prophecy but yours is useless, a dead-end which really illustrates the typical cultish-apostate mindset.

    scholar JW

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    The WTS view is certainly pretty unique, with most no support from secular chronologists.

    Those guys may have a variety of viewpoints, but they're pretty united on that one.

  • Hellrider
    Hellrider

    Leolaia

    Correct. You seem rather confused or amused by my remarks. Applegate certainly has provided a serious approach to Jeremiah which is devastating to the Jonsson hypothesis but his chronology is wobbly and shows inattention to this phase of the argument which shows that wordly wisdom is inferior to godly wisdom, a reminder that you should take to heart.

    scholar JW

    ...and the translation from JW-ian: "Applegate certainly has provided us with some good passages we can carefully rip out of context and use for our own purposes, but his overall chronology doesn`t support our 607-view, so the rest of his work, we will simply ignore".

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    This is true. A Witness apologist scowers through scholarly literature looking for random bits of agreement without regard to the author's overall argumentation. A true scholar will read arguments in their entirety and evaluate them accordingly.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro
    All that you have brought is a tired rehash of the Jonsson hypothesis with its foolish claims concerning the seventy years which are not accepted by scholars. Scholars have no unified view about the seventy years or 587 so your view along with Jonsson is just small piece of the pie.

    Yes, we heard that lie the first time. But you were asked for what actual input you have brought to the forum. And of course, you can reply with nothing but a repetitive meritless childish attack.

    There is certainly ambiguity when there is no harmony of views concerning secular chronology and the exegesis of the seventy years and that is of their doing. The Society's chronology is based upon evidence both biblical and secular and harmonizes prophecy but yours is useless, a dead-end which really illustrates the typical cultish-apostate mindset.

    The Society's model isn't based on any secular evidence. It is based on dogma and distortion. The simple fact is that the secular evidence does not support 607. That is why nearly 100% of scholars are in support of 587/6. And the biblical evidence agrees.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    If you start a topic about 'scholars', I usually refrain. The Watchtower made sure that I did nothing to pursue 'scholarly things'. For that reason I am but high school educated, but fairly intelligent.

    My 2 cents on the Gentile Times Reconsidered [which these threads all seem to gravitate to]; It seemed to be honest, written well and apparently well researched. The arguments seem tight and abundant to support Jonnson's position.

    On the other hand; In 43 years as a Watchtower slave, I have read tens of thousands of misrepresentations and lies and manipulitive reasonings intended and twisted in ways that had a single agenda; theirs. Period. They have no scholars on staff. Quotations are frequently misapplied. They even go back and 'edit' finished works so as to cover thier sloppy reasonings when predictions fail. They have never gotten it right, they just play games with the witnesses whom they keep locked in a dark room with no light.

    I am no scholar - but I can smell shit a mile away. And it is the 'Celebrated Watchtower Scholars' that wear it.

    Jeff

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos
    A Witness apologist scowers through scholarly literature looking for random bits of agreement without regard to the author's overall argumentation.

    An excellent summary of both scholar's and the WT Writing Dept.'s methodology imo.

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    Jeffro

    All that you have brought is a tired rehash of the Jonsson hypothesis with its foolish claims concerning the seventy years which are not accepted by scholars. Scholars have no unified view about the seventy years or 587 so your view along with Jonsson is just small piece of the pie.

    There is certainly ambiguity when there is no harmony of views concerning secular chronology and the exegesis of the seventy years and that is of their doing. The Society's chronology is based upon evidence both biblical and secular and harmonizes prophecy but yours is useless, a dead-end which really illustrates the typical cultish-apostate mindset.

    scholar JW

    And now ... drum roll please ...... Scholar will use this in the context of "The Last Generation and the call of Peace and Security", and the societies celebrated scholars prophesying, which is what his 1914 is all about! steve

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Thanks Narkissos, but I only repeated what Hellrider had already said in a more humourous fashion.

  • Terry
    Terry
    There is certainly ambiguity when there is no harmony of views concerning secular chronology and the exegesis of the seventy years and that is of their doing. The Society's chronology is based upon evidence both biblical and secular and harmonizes prophecy but yours is useless, a dead-end which really illustrates the typical cultish-apostate mindset.




    Silly!



    What ambiguity?



    This is the same ploy mystics of the mind use when they tell you we can't know reality because we can't fit the objective world inside our head.

    Therefore, we better just listen to their authority instead. The Catholic Church uses this to trump the Sola Scriptura approach of Protestantism.

    Well, we send rockets to the moon and back by a pretty fine grasp of details. So too with chronologies based on archeology.

    Secular scholars only differ on minor details and not the broader facts. They know the forest from the trees. The Watchtower is "stumped" by so much clear-cutting the use the logjam to hide behind.

    Here is the game the Watchtower has always played:



    1.Don't learn bible languages by going to school and getting a degree like real scholars; make up what you want to believe.



    2.Fill your library with secular reference books and use them for partial quotations to color your pronouncements with a scent of learning.



    3.Cherry pick quotes and pit one statement against another. Raise red flags of disharmony largely by rhetoric.



    4.Lead your readers by the nose using your MAGISTERIUM of "faithful and discreet slave" whenever you are on thin ice. Make scholarship a question of--not facts--but obedience to you.



    5.Stonewall and play a broken record. Instead of answering objections directly use a magician's skill of misdirection to point away from yourself.



    6.Paint with a broad brush. Use fancy footwork and dazzle them with bullshit.



    7.No other religion has produced as many reference books that became uncomfortably error-ridden the way the Watchtower's books have.



    They mysteriously vanish only to be replaced by "new light" versions. It almost makes you feel like they are hiding their ineptitude.

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