by Zico 142 Replies latest jw friends
Jehovah's Witnesses as a people and as a "theocratic" (LOL!) organization are grossly intellectually dishonest. They don't follow the Bible at all -- they follow what Watchtower leaders claim about the Bible.
You very aptly demonstrated the truthfulness of the above statement!
Nice job to both you and Auldsoul.
Tor
Auld Soul
Auld Soul
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Celebrated WT scholars have no interest in trying to synchronize or harmonize biblical chronology with 607 BCE for the Fall with Neo-Babylonian chronology with its omission of the biblical 'seventy years'.
All of the biblical texts relating to the seventy years namely Chronicles, Jeremiah, Daniel and Zechariah are unambiguous about the fact that this was a definite historical period of desolation, exile and servitude. Certainly there are many interpretations of the seventy years and these are usually presented in a small number of scholarly journals over the last fifty years but when one carefully surveys these articles, commentaries and the Jonsson nonsense one can only conclude that the 'celebrated' have got it right, 100%. This is the reason why I post on this board to defend a clear biblical teaching.
Chronicles most definitely connects the fulfillment of the seventy years with a desolate land and its keeping sabbaths throughout the duration of that period. It ended not as the aposates errroneously claim in 539 BCE but the verses in context clearly state at the first year of Cyrus in 537 BCE. The period of the land lying desolate could not be fifty years because nowhere does the Bible make such a statement. The fifty years is simply a stooge invented by apostates to give some credibility to a flawed Neo- Babyloian chronology, it is simply a substitute to overide or camouflage the twenty year gap between sacred biblical chronology and pagan secular chronology.
Frankly, it is dishonest of you to argue that the Judah lay desolate for fifty years when the Bible writers were most emphatic that it was seventy. Such reasoning proves that apostates and WT critics are desperate in tryng to disprove WT biblical chronology but their efforts such as the pathetic Jonsson nonsense are doomed to failure.
Frankly, I am not interested in your pathetic games for scholar deals with facts, history and chronology and he will not stoop to such infantile nonsense.
scholar JW
Leolaia
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I believe my reply to Marjorie was appropriate for I acknowledged that there is a considerable secular for the two year reign of Evil-Merodach but it must be put on record that according to Josephus there is disharmony over the length of that reign. Josephus is the principal source for Berossus and Berossus in turn is a primary cource for Neo- Babylonian chronology so this means that Josephus' data should at least not be ignored. However, notwithstanding the debate over the role of Josephus and such secular chronology, celebrated WT scholars have raised a much more serious threat to the foundation of Neo-Babylonian chronology namely the biblical 'seventy years' which proves a twenty year gap between NB chronology and pure biblical chronology using similar data.
Whatever the status of writers and the period in which they lived it would be highly desirable to have the original documents or autographs but sadly this is not the case with chronology either biblical or secular and so scholars have use what is available. For example, in respect of Neo- Babylonian chronology based upon the Chronicles, the reigns of Nebuchadnezzer, Awel-Marduk, Neriglissar and Labashi-Marduk are noted with an asterisk indicating that the regnal data is ob tained not from those Chronicles but from Berossus and Ptolemy ( Jonsson, 1998, p.117, Table 3). This is a circular argument which Furuli in his scholarly work warns about the danger of cicularity in the reconstruction of chronology (Furuli,2003, p.23).
You have gone to great trouble in trying to impress me with the data from Josephus and the Business Tablets but I am fully aware of the evidence and I do not need any reminders from you on this account. Impressive as such data may be it pales into insignifance when compared with the biblical data for the seventy years which fulfilled prophecy. I am far more impressed with matters spiritual than wordly matters of business, the making of money. Jehovah's intervention in history is far more important to lovers of God and the Bible then the making of filthy riches which is the prime concern of apostates having no spirituality.
scholar JW
kid-A
To be sure when I attend the Convention next weekend I will heartily embrace the resolution when it is proposed for adoption for already my lungs are ready for a loud acclamation on my part. However, I do not know what scholar will do, he may not be present as he has no interest in petty theatrics or meaningless behaviour. He only exists for 607 BCE, 1914, WT Chronology and the Gentile Times. What an abhorrent creature he is for I tell him repeatedly to GET A LIFE! That scholar, the oracle does his own thing and I will be glad to be rid of him'
scholar JW
drew sagan
That is right for they are the only people doing the Lord's Will and despite their mistakes, Jehovah and Jesus continue to use them and bless them. May the Lord be Praised!
Such people have never been false prophets so your accusation is groundles and niether have they or will be misled by apostate deception as the Jonsson hypothesis.
I post on this forum because it is a public place, scholar the dark one says that he is here because he wishes only to defend WT chronology and other reasons are none of your business.
scholar JW
Celebrated WT scholars have no interest in trying to synchronize or harmonize biblical chronology with 607 BCE for the Fall with Neo-Babylonian chronology with its omission of the biblical 'seventy years'.
Ezekiel 40:1 is one of many scriptures that make it clear that the exile was independant of the destruction of the temple. Jeremiah 25:12 makes it clear that the 70 years were not of exile. The point is that WT 'scholars' have no interest in any facts, including those in the bible, that are not in agreement with their own chronology for supporting 1914.
All of the biblical texts relating to the seventy years namely Chronicles, Jeremiah, Daniel and Zechariah are unambiguous about the fact that this was a definite historical period of desolation, exile and servitude. Certainly there are many interpretations of the seventy years and these are usually presented in a small number of scholarly journals over the last fifty years but when one carefully surveys these articles, commentaries and the Jonsson nonsense one can only conclude that the 'celebrated' have got it right, 100%. This is the reason why I post on this board to defend a clear biblical teaching.
The fact that the bible indicates inhabitants in Judea before and after the destruction of the temple, and that the main exile occurred several years prior invalidates your claim. WT interpreters are clearly wrong, and with very little academic training, I have presented a far superior chronology of the period, using primarily the bible as my source. The Society's chronology is a joke by any serious standards of analysis, hardly worthy of even brief analysis by secular chronologers who have little interest in a minor religion. Of course you like to mock the chronology I have arrived at, but you haven't actually indicated any ligitimate errors therein.
Chronicles most definitely connects the fulfillment of the seventy years with a desolate land and its keeping sabbaths throughout the duration of that period. It ended not as the aposates errroneously claim in 539 BCE but the verses in context clearly state at the first year of Cyrus in 537 BCE. The period of the land lying desolate could not be fifty years because nowhere does the Bible make such a statement. The fifty years is simply a stooge invented by apostates to give some credibility to a flawed Neo- Babyloian chronology, it is simply a substitute to overide or camouflage the twenty year gap between sacred biblical chronology and pagan secular chronology.
Chronicles does not actually say that the 70 years ended in Cyrus' first year at all. It merely places events of Cyrus' first year after the 70 years. Your claim about 50 years not being possible is based on misapplication of Hebrew words like chorbah and za'am which I have explained previously. The continues astronomical data for the period alone makes a 20-year gap impossible, unless the events of 539 are also moved from its accepted point in history.
Frankly, it is dishonest of you to argue that the Judah lay desolate for fifty years when the Bible writers were most emphatic that it was seventy. Such reasoning proves that apostates and WT critics are desperate in tryng to disprove WT biblical chronology but their efforts such as the pathetic Jonsson nonsense are doomed to failure.
No desperation is required. I came to much the same conclusion that apparently Jonsson did before I even knew his name let alone his material. The Society is grossly guilty of misrepresenting the bible.
To be sure when I attend the Convention next weekend I will heartily embrace the resolution when it is proposed for adoption for already my lungs are ready for a loud acclamation on my part. However, I do not know what scholar will do, he may not be present as he has no interest in petty theatrics or meaningless behaviour. He only exists for 607 BCE, 1914, WT Chronology and the Gentile Times. What an abhorrent creature he is for I tell him repeatedly to GET A LIFE! That scholar, the oracle does his own thing and I will be glad to be rid of him'
It seems that scholar may be mentally ill. FYI, 'scholar', there is medication available that may suppress the multiple personalities. And why has 'scholar' stated that is opinion is his that the convention's resolution is "petty theatrics" and "meaningless behaviour". I mean, I know he's right, but he's not supposed to admit it!
Hoping4Change
1. Sadly I am unable to assist you with the identity and locality of the Celebrated WT scholars for I have asked scholar that very same question and all I get is a deep scowl and groan from his cave so I have learnt that it is best to leave that matter rest.
If you truly need spiritual assistance then you should do the following:
Pray
Read and medidate on God's Word daily
Attend all Christian Meetings
Regularly engage in the field ministry
Seek assistance from your local Elders
Rolf Furuli is certainly a Scholar and as a Witness he would properly be identified as a WT scholar but whether he is of that elite group of scholars centuries old, celebrated WT scholars, I simply cannot say.
2. Biblical or Bible chronology is simply a chronology that is based upon the Bible and contains a tabulation of dates connected to events of the Old and New Testament beginning from the Creation of Adam to the book of Revelation. It owes its genesis to the esteemed work of Archbishop James Ussher whiose chronology was presented as a marginal reference in the King James Version of 1611. In order to reconstruct such a chronology a methodology utilizing secular data is required in order to establish key pivotal dates or formerly Absolute Dates thereupon biblical events and regnal data are employed in the construction of such sacred chronology.
You are correct in saying that secular data is essential but the chronologist wisely ensures that any secular data use must not contradict biblical data for biblical data must have primacy over secular data. In other words, just like salt is used sparingly so secular data or chronology must be used sparingly and not at the expense of raw biblical data.
I hope this information helps
Kind Regards
scholar JW
You are correct in saying that secular data is essential but the chronologist wisely ensures that any secular data use must not contradict biblical data for biblical data must have primacy over secular data.
scholar the ostrich, head firmly buried in the sand, chanting 'evidence cannot contradict bible, evidence cannot contradict bible'. It might give you a warm and fuzzy feeling, but it won't save you.
