Something DIED in me on Tuesday (page 2)

Had Enough

Dana
I too feel the numbness at not being able to put my feelings into words. I have the feelings of shock, disbelief, anger, such sadness...they're raging inside and causing physical pain. I share your concern for anger being lashed out against innocent people who share a country of origin but don't share the beliefs and ideals of the terrorists. It frightens me where this all could lead.

Amazing As I expressed my feelings to Dana above, I feel these, not as a member of the United States of America who has been attacked in such a brutal way, but as a member of the human race.

I see the faces of absolute dispair in the surviving family members who anguish over the loss of a son, a daughter, a wife, a husband, a mother, a father and the unspeakable ways they died....and can't find any comfort for the pain that causes me as a fellow human.

And the nagging questions this causes just adds to the despair, as in...how do we make this kind of thing stop, never to happen again? The obvious answer as so many have already stated, is just so horrendous to think about as its going to involve more horrible loss of lives of women and children who aren't even carrying a gun.

I too hate what feelings this is all causing in me. I've always despised war and thought it such a futile waste...not because of my JW upbringing, but because I always was one to talk things out not slug them out and couldn't stand the thought of physically hurting someone else. I now have conflicting pictures in my head of how I would feel holding a gun and looking at the face of someone I was supposed to shoot...and don't know how I could possible pull the trigger.

Then I get pictures of the horribly agonizing deaths that person has caused, or of that person threatening by family, my child, and a rage comes out in me that I don't know how to deal with. But I still want to believe there is a better way to deal with this than nuking a nation. That solution doesn't take away my feelings of anger and despair...it adds to it.

I do know of the turmoil of which you speak. I just wish I had an answer to ease your pain...I don't. I just want you to know I understand it.

TR

Thanks, Amazing, for posting your feelings. They pretty much mirror my own.

Regarding the taking of action, the perpetrators and those harboring them will not go unpunished, according to our president.
I tend think he's not b.s.ing.

TR

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
—Edmund Burke

DannyBear

Amazing,

Your expressions are mine to the tee! Thanks for putting them in writing.

All I can say to all who have expressed their derision and scorn for those of us who see it differently. Think about this if you will:

Who would you rather have been seated next two on any of those four doomed airliner's on tuesday? The several (hero's) that stood up and faught violence with violence, thus diverting another potential horrendous loss of life? Or next to one of the many other passenger's who apparently sat, transfixed by the assumption 'surely these people who have slit the throats of the stewardesses, really are fellow humans, who only want to make a statement about their beliefs, will not set that 'bomb' off, nor will they ever even think of steering THIS plane right smack into the home of 10,000 fellow beings.

Let me ask all you bleeding hearts again, who would you rather sit next to? I choose to sit next to, those brave souls that took some action, and probably were soley responsible for turning that final fourth plane away from populated Washington, into a vacant field in Virgina.

Tell me different I challenge you.

Danny

julien

for all you unix folks I can put it succintly:

$ rm -fr /bin/laden

Disengaged

Amazing,

Ditto, very well expressed. Thanks I feel the same!

"I wish I knew what I know now, when I was younger,,,"

fodeja

Tell me different I challenge you.

WTF does *this* have to do with the question of a "proper response" to the attacks?! Where is the analogy to anything anyone here has written on this topic? This has to be one of the best examples of a false analogy that I've seen in a while.

My gosh.
f., who doesn't give a damn about whether he's dying next to a coward or a hero

DannyBear

fodeja,

You seem to have no ability to see the analogy, as respects to violence vs non-violence, action vs no-action, enemy vs misunderstood, need I continue?

Amazing

Hi Ginny: I understand and appreciate what you are saying about the US vs THEM mentality. For me that died on Tuesday. This is no longer about understanding, ngeotiations, peaceful solutions, war of words, or propaganda and psycho-babble. Tuesday is very real holocaust - one that have changed me in a moment of time. Kill or be killed. No amount of high-road noble statements can make-up for, or deal with this act of war. This is raw, brutal survival. We either bow ourselves and let the turbin-heads swing their sabres to our death, or we stand up and swing our own sabres. This is the only language they can or will understand - and so we will speak it to them.

No, I am not looking at all Arabs. I have no thoughts of any Arab Americans being part of this evil. I am thinking only of the terrorists cells and organizations, their system of support, and their host nations.

Today on CNN: The Under-Secretary of Defense stated that we, the USA and our Allies, will not stop at arrest of the actual perpertrators, but will terminate their organizations, their support system, and terminate those states that host them.

Amazing

Winston

Tuesday is a day that has change my life for God knows how long. I hope the change is for the better, it's to early to tell, time will tell.

I feel people in general will respond in a self-sacrificing way. I think even the very rich will exersize restraint when the stock markets finally open.

We are all in pain if we're not something is very wrong somewhere.
The final outcome must be for good, if it is, then we do great honor for the innocent that have died.

How long have you LIVED and how long has God LIVED?
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to .000000000000000000000000000000001
Who is like God?

GinnyTosken

Amazing,

If we human beings deteriorate to a kill-or-be-killed mentality, you may kill me first. I would rather die than live with such barbaric terrorism. It's as Gen. Merrill McPeak said, "You have to ask, `What's the endgame?' You want to come out with a safer, more secure environment," not just brute survival.

How can you swing your saber at "turban-heads" and yet say that you are not thinking of all Arabs? American Arabs are good but other Arabs are bad? What if in the future the United States harbors criminals? Will you accept a bombing of the U.S. as your due for being a citizen of this government?

Terrorists are criminals, whatever their ethnic, religious, or national affiliation. I hope that those who have aided and abetted these criminals will be brought to justice.

As I see it, the difference between us is that you want to quickly amputate a whole leg. My hope is that all involved will use surgical precision and try to heal the rest of the leg.

I happen to have been born in the United States. I still consider myself primarily a citizen of the world. I refuse to use arbitrary national borders to collectively judge large groups of people.

Ginny

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