National Healthcare for the USA

by sammielee24 348 Replies latest jw friends

  • SWALKER
    SWALKER

    Here's what I know...healthcare used to be affordable for most U.S. citizens...I knew very few people that weren't insured. Now I know tons of people that are not insured and just can't make ends meet because of the high cost. It is a NATIONAL CRISIS!!! We see other governments that are making NHC work just fine and I'm sure we can too. For those rolling in money, I'm sure there will always be plenty of private facilities for you to go throw your money at!!!

    Swalker (I'm Insured...but my dog isn't! I think we should have affodable pet insurance also! Have you been to the vet lately?)

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    What if there was a national healthcare system but it was voluntary, so that only those who wanted to pay for other people's healthcare would have to? Those who didn't want to could either pay into a private system or hope their luck holds. Everybody would be happy with that (except perhaps those who believe other people should be forced to work for them).

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    LT,

    just wanted to add to what lisa said, Here in usa, never in all my 50 something years have I heard it grossly referred to as 'the scrape". That is disgusting. not even at a public health clinic have I heard that word used. Maybe it is a local thing.

  • Fe2O3Girl
    Fe2O3Girl

    funkyderek:

    What if there was a national healthcare system but it was voluntary, so that only those who wanted to pay for other people's healthcare would have to? Those who didn't want to could either pay into a private system or hope their luck holds. Everybody would be happy with that (except perhaps those who believe other people should be forced to work for them).

    Socratic irony?

  • donkey
    donkey

    FunkyD - great point but then others expect everyone to care for them. I am amazed at how many xJWs seem to feel they have the right to mooch off the rest of society.

    LT:

    Enjoy National Healthcare, and enjoy the skyrocketing unemployment rate, and enjoy the rampant government waste.

    Hmmm. That would be a slippery slope fallacy. Seen plenty of them while in the JWs, and continue to see plenty of them now...

    Believe it or not, the NHS didn't cause overwhelming unemployment, rather it became the biggest employer in the whole of Europe...

    The problem is more complex than just healthcare in the US. Looking at it in isolation (the litigious environment needs to be considered for it to be successful) will not fix the issue.
  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    Fe2O3Girl:

    Socratic irony?

    Maybe a little. A lot of people don't seem to think of socialised healthcare as what it really is: someone else being forced to pay for your medical care. I thought phrasing it in that way may make some people realise what they currently believe and step up to either defend the belief, or admit that it's actually incompatible with their principles. I liked SWALKER's point. If we have "affordable health insurance" in the form of compulsory payments to the government, why not affordable pet insurance too? And car insurance of course. And cars, while we're at it. And food. It's hardly fair that some people drive around in Cadillacs eating caviar while others are forced to take the bus to Burger King, is it? I know someone's going to make me drink hemlock after that!

  • siegswife
    siegswife

    I think we need national healthcare here in the USA, but I also agree that if it's set up like the current medicaid system (not sure about medicare) it would be both a blessing and a curse to the people using it.

    About 3 years ago, everyone in the company that my husband works for got laid off. When they finally started up again, my husband was (and still is) the only employee that got called back full time, other than the owners son and daughters. They couldn't get into a group health insurance plan so we've been going all this time without insurance, paying cash for our daughter's doctor visits and not going to the doctor ourselves. My employer only offered insurance to full-time managers.

    At the end of May I found myself in a situation where I had to go to the doctor. After paying hundreds of dollars that we don't have for Dr. visits and tests I was directed to the emergency room of a local hospital because everything indicated that I had ovarian cancer and by going that route a social worker there would help us hook up with medicaid.

    I was diagnosed that day and had major surgery 4 days later. As it turned out, thankfully, we were approved for a limited medicaid (our daughter gets more benefits) that will cover the doctors and surgeons, tests and chemotherapy. We still have to pay for my prescriptions and about $16,000 in hospital bills, but I'm glad that we were able to get help.

    Last week, however, the blessing started turning into a curse.

    To make a long story longer, we had to pick an HMO to be covered by medicaid. I picked on that the cancer center and the hospital where I had my surgery both take. I was scheduled to start chemo last Tuesday and was told by both the Drs. office and the insurance that I could get it at the Cancer Center. I went in, got stuck with a needle twice, got told that my veins couldn't be used and I have to get a port, got told that I shouldn't even be there for chemo anyway. The center is listed as a "provider" but not a "facility". Too bad the people who deal with the patients (on both ends) don't have that information and weren't able to inform me of that fact before I went there.

    Unfortunately, the hospital where I had surgery doesn't do chemo and the hospital that my Drs. use for off site chemo doesn't take my HMO without a big hassle that will probably end up with me having to change specialists. It's bad enough when people have to deal with an unexpected illness without having to worry whether or not the people they are dealing with have their shit together and if they'll be able to get the treatment they need in a timely manner with the Dr. of their preference. I don't feel like dealing with it at all and having to deal with extra stuff is....well....burdensome to say the least.

    My point is (besides the need to rant) is that if this country ever does get socialised medicine on a national basis and it's operated the way the current medicaid system is, we're screwed.

    Lea

  • Mary
    Mary
    Forster said: There is a good reason all those folks are coming across the border from Canada to have needed surgeries done. It's called socialised medicine!

    Uh huh.....I came to the States a couple of years ago for surgery because the wait was too long here in Canada. But guess what? I didn't have to pay for it, our publically funded health care did. BTW, the surgery was $17,000.00 US. Our system isn't perfect, but I prefer it to the way the States has there health care system set up. Something like 40,000,000 Americans have NO health insurance. When my father had his stroke a few months ago, he was in the hospital for over 3 weeks. Everything was covered by our health care system, including his physiotherapy, and all the drugs he had to take. I think the only thing he had to pay for was $45.00 for the ambulance.

    Right this minute I am in PAIN. My primary caregiver called in a presciption for the problem causing it. Medicaid informed the pharmicist they won't pay for it, despite the fact it was on the list of medications covered when the Doctor ordered it. So I am still in PAIN!

    Then I'm not quite sure why you're so against a reformed health care system. Prescription drugs are free to those over the age of 65, but even if you don't have private insurance, prescription drugs here are about 1/4 the price of what they are in the States. That's because our health care system is subsidized by the government, and they put caps on how much doctors and pharmacists can charge people. 20/20 had a program on a couple of years ago showing some retired seniors in Virginia who's prescription medications total $1,400.00/month. Kinda hard to buy all that when your pension is only $1,200.00 a month. So a busload of them come up here to Canada once a month and the pharmacy fills their prescriptions for about $300 - $400. And our drugs go through the same rigorous testing and approval that they do in the States.

  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    MODS...Everytime I click on page 6 of this thread I get re-directed to a Miami Herald.com sign-in page !

    Anybody else having this problem today ?

    Thanks, Rabbit

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Derek:I guess that my support of National Healthcare would be on the grounds that I believe that every humanbeing has a right to certain basic health provisions.

    That having been said I will say that I share a concern that too much is being done on the NHS that should remain private (e.g. instances of plastic surgery and fertility treatment that had nothing to do with accidents). I also see what has to be dealt with for people who bring certain things on themselves.

    Ultimately it probably is a privilege, but I'm inclined to feel that it ought to be a basic right for humans in the 21st Century. That would be my subjective opiinion, and one that could barely be dreamed of even 100 years ago. If not, why are we so concerned over the third-world health issues?

    (I'm now intentionally focussing on the topic, rather than widening it to include the related themes of poverty and hunger)

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