by thirdwitness 1380 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Thirdwitness, Christ accepted worship.
If its not against youre churches rules buy a hynmbook from any denomination and see how often gods name Jehovah is is mentioned.
It doesnt matter which denomination you get the hynmbook off because many hymns are used by all churches. Dont reply to this post until you do what ive suggested.
William Miller JW ground zero
In a nutshell Jehovah's Witnesses R Millerites and thousands of non apostate scholarly works say so
JW ARE AN ADVENTIST MILLERITE SPIN-OFF click for thousand links
The Millerites: Armageddon (History Channel) 4 min clip
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The History Channel say's so too.
Danny Haszard Bangor Maine
Thanks Danny, that was very interesting and revealing from the clip of the history channel.
Fisherman
In conclusion, Ann and AD the verses that you cited and the verses that you quoted and your arguments, and your logic do not prove that the kingdom began in the 1st century as you interpret the Bible.
OK, you don't buy it that the kingdom was set up in the first century. I don't mind. But you're not inclined to grasp the nettle and show us where our scriptural arguments and logic fall down? Pity. I might have learned something.
In consideration of 3w arguments defending the wts on this topic don't prove that the kingdom began in 1914 either.
Glad you can see that.
I enjoyed reading many publications advertised on this site on this topic. Very informative reading that have enriched my perspective on topics that I previously only had a set view on.Thanks for kindly reading my posts on this topic,
You're welcome. Perhaps when you have done some more reading (or when that voice from heaven finally speaks to you) you can return to this subject and give us your Scriptural proofs against the idea that the kingdom was set up in the first century :-)
AlanF, I have used your figures on earthquakes and the highest ones at that for before 1914. I have even doubled your figures on wars before 1914. Here is the result.
Earthquake deaths:
pre1914--3400 per year.
post1914--17,000 per year.
War deaths:
pre1914--100,000 per year.
post1914--1,000,000 per year.
Stripping away all the nonsense, evasions, half truths and repetitions of already-disproved claims thirdwitness put in his post # 353 and subsequent posts, he wrote:
Gee whiz. Nothing left to respond to.
AlanF
In actuality though the figures are probably closer to this:
Earthquake deaths:
pre1914--1000 per year.
post1914--17,000 per year.
War deaths:
pre1914--50,000 per year.
post1914--1,000,000 per year.
Yes, alanf would do well to ignore my post # 353. Since it pointed out how ridiculous he was.
First he claims that JWs teach that Noah preached to the 'entire world' and provides quotes from WT's to prove it that do not support his claim at all.
Then he says that 'no one would know the day or the hour: because just as in the days before the flood, people were living life normally as if nothing were about to happen.'
This has nothing to do with why no one would know the day or hour. Not even those taking note would know the day or hour, not even Jesus knew.
Then AlanF quotes scholars that might agree with him and dismisses all scholars who might disagree with him as being dispensationalists and various Bible students. So what? How many scholars can you quote that believe God is a Trinity. Bible proof overrides 'scholars'. But AlanF don't believe that. I doubt he even believes that the account of Noah and the flood is true, do you AlanF?
The Alanf mistakenly equates the day the Son of man is revealed to the entire days/parousia of the Son of man. But clearly this is a misreading of scripture for the scripture says: Luke 17:29,30: But on the day that Lot came out of Sod´om it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 The same way it will be on that day when the Son of man is to be revealed.
What do we see from this. The very day that Sodom was destroyed is not compared to the entire days or parousia of the Son of man. But only to the day when the Son of man is to be revealed. When does this revealing take place for all to see without a doubt? It takes place at the conclusion of the parousia of Christ. Revelation 1:7 tells us at what point he will be revealed so that every eye will see him: He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him.
AlanF has done a smart thing in trying to let this drop since he has shown that he cannot understand or properly explain scriptures or WT publications and is hoping no one will notice and it will just go away.
As shown in my post # 4728 on page 57 of this thread, figures published by Jehovah's Witnesses indicate the startling statistical result that:
Gross sexual immorality among Jehovah's Witnesses today is some 130 times worse than seventy years ago!
AlanF
thirdwitness wrote:
: Yes, alanf would do well to ignore my post # 353. Since it pointed out how ridiculous he was.
Do you realize how hypocritical this is? Coming from someone who routinely ignores more than half the posts coming his way, ignores 95% of the material in the posts he does respond to, and ignores all posts proving that certain JW beliefs are wrong or hypocritical?
I was fairly sure that my posting this would get you to make your astonishingly hypocritical statement.
AlanF
