On another thread Drew Sagan wrote: This is the part where their dogma really falls apart in my opinion. For all of the 607/587 data that is debated, much of the application and interpretation of the prophecy. In fact is that the Watchtower has only ever given VERY WEAK evidence as to why the dream in Daniel 4 even has a second meaning at all. This is the part in the Gentile Times books that most critics will never take the time to refute. In fact all of the reasons why they feel the dream should have a second meaning prove one major thing in itself, that nowhere in the Bible is there an actual link between Daneil 4 and the gentile times. To this day I have not seen a good reason for why they should be connected. Challenge a JW to use ONLY THE BIBLE as a referance as to why this dream has two fullfillments, it just can't be done.
Contrary to what he says I believe this has just been accomplished above by using ONLY THE BIBLE .
Daneil 4 and the gentile times. To this day I have not seen a good reason for why they should be connected.
Well, Now you have.
My oh my, what a topic (in the general scope of JWs & Ex-JWs on the internet) this has become. It really seems to be at the center of all the controversy these days. And now i'm in it, knee deep ready to be pulled into to a war of words fighting and dividing over issues that we all are convinced show that we are right.
I could have answered you by writing a very long and elaborate rebuttle of your points (which I feel is total conjecture and still does not PROVE the basic point I was trying to make), but that seems to go nowhere these days, so i'm going to say something else.
Why can't we all just get along?
That's right, let's put aside our differances and follow the master. You know, Jesus? That guy who taught us to hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) our enemies and 'love our neighbor' (whatever that means). From what I gathered he was the kind of guy that wasn't into all of this 'division' stuff (unless of course you didn't believe he was the son of God). But other than that he wasn't to picky, he just wasn't that kind of guy.
Face it thirdwitness and all the rest of the JW supporters that surf these boards with all of us 'apostates' have made some new friends, us. You know, the people you have be associating with. You have come to our side, and more than likely are getting some enjoyment out of it because you just keep coming back.
So let's put all this 'discussion' aside. It's going nowhere. All it's doing is making us all 'angry' and 'annoyed'. I vote for a better plan. Wanna go to the movies? That 'Snakes on a Plane' movie looks totally rad! Hope you'll be able to make it, i'll be waiting.