You can count on the NWT to mutate everything so it doesn't conflict with their theology. Eventually theyll have the whole bible all smoothed out and fitting into their world. G
YAHWEH is BAAL
by sinis 62 Replies latest watchtower bible
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sinis
It was a cross reference from document (KTU 1.1 IV 14) from Ugarit, a Palestinian site occupied by neighbors of Israel and literal translation from Hebrew:
Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh, http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa89.pdf
Psalm 18:13: Yahweh also thundered in the heavens, and Elyon uttered his voice. (same as 2 Samuel 22:14) http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa18.pdf
Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength. http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa29.pdf http://scripturetext.com/psalms/29-1.htm
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mkr32208
KJ version;
89:6 For who in the heavens can be compared unto the lord? Who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the lord?
18:13 The lord also thundered in the heavens, and the highest gave his voice;
29:1 Give unto the lord, o Ye mighty, give unto the lord glory and strength
Maybe you just have a crappy bible?
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sinis
sinis,
THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR!
Where did you find that chart? I would like to get the whole source from where it came.
--VM44
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/1999-January/001237.html
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sinis
KJ version;
89:6 For who in the heavens can be compared unto the lord? Who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the lord?
18:13 The lord also thundered in the heavens, and the highest gave his voice;
29:1 Give unto the lord, o Ye mighty, give unto the lord glory and strength
Maybe you just have a crappy bible?
Ask yourself who is the "mighty" one being spoken of and "highest", then look at the original texts. It shows it to be El, which is distinct from Yahweh.
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mkr32208
Yeah sure you've gone and cracked the bible code!
This guys is mentioned twice and I'm to believe it's jehovah's daddy? Preposterous!
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under_believer
mkr, maybe the only thing you need to believe is that whoever wrote that had a different view of the cosmos than you do? I've checked quite a few translations and done a fair piece of research on this and the scripture as presented by sinis is pretty accurate. Various translations use different phrases for "sons of El": "angels", "sons of the mighty", "heavenly beings", and so on, but it's fairly clear that the idea was to favorably compare Yahweh to possible competitors.
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Elsewhere
Actually, Baal changing his name to Jehover is recorder in Hosea:
(Hosea 2:16) And it must occur in that day,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘that you will call [me] My husband, and you will no longer call me My Baal.’
In the WTS it says "My owner" with a notation mark that lets the reader know that "owner" really means "Baal".
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jayhawk1
Pulled this from www.baal.com
There is some uncertainty as to the derivation of the name "Beelzebub". Note that Beelzebub is the patron god of the Philistines in ancient Palestine and is also identified with the god of Ekron, Baal-Zebub.
Some believe that the term is a deliberate mocking perversion by the Jewish religious leaders of the Canaanite Baal-Zebul ("Prince Baal"), one of the standard titles of the god Baal. In the Bible (which was derived from the Jewish Torah -- writings that were obviously aligned with Jewish interests), Beelzebub is debased as the prince of evil spirits. He is also called "Lord of the Flies", derived from the Hebrew "Baal-Zevuv".
Since Judaism became the basis for monotheistic worship in much of the world, "Beelzebub" is now synonymous with evil. In early English literature, Beelzebub becomes Satan's chief lieutenant in Milton's Paradise Lost.
Could Baal be Satan or a Demon too? Would this make Satan (or a Demon), Jehovah, and Baal the same God?
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Narkissos
The closest we have in the Bible to a synthesis of the ancient Israelite pantheon is Deuteronomy 32:8f -- thanks to a divergence between the monotheistic "corrections" in the Masoretic text and the Septuagint. See http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/66342/1.ashx
Otherwise I would beware about making a unified synthesis of the regional religion. Only exceptionally, if ever, must have Baal and Yahweh been considered side by side as "brothers" as the above chart suggests. It is much more likely that Yhwh at some point was approximately the Israelite equivalent of Baal and that the opposition between them rose from the relationship between the Israelite and Phoenician kingdoms under the Omride dynasty.
Btw this is no new discovery. Have a look at Mark S. Smith The Early History of God or John Day's Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan for more information.