The God Delusion

by Peppermint 103 Replies latest jw friends

  • skeptic2
    skeptic2
    a morally bankrupt ideology like evolution can offer to this world

    I assume you mean evolutionism. Evolution is not an ideology, any more than the theory of plate tectonics is an ideology.

    Creation by an Intelligent being makes much more sense than evolution ever will! The making of two sexes, male and female, is reason enough

    We can postulate lots of ways in which it can happen, but we may never know which is correct. But each hypothesis is infinitely more likely that 'sky-god made man, sky-god made woman, when? dunno'. The fact that the existence of male and female can be adequately explained by the theory of evolution, is more testament to it's accuracy, not less.

    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB350.html

  • GetBusyLiving
    GetBusyLiving

    Make sure to check out the video stream interview with Dawkins at that link as well. Awesome.

    Shel

  • TopHat
    TopHat

    Evolution IS only a theroy...there IS more evidence of a GOD in all creation than in the theroy of evolution.

  • skeptic2
    skeptic2

    TopHat, the word theory in science is different from the word theory used by the general public.

    what science calls a... the general public calls a...
    hypothesis theory
    theory well-tested explanation of all known evidence

    As you can see from the table, the word theory in science has a very different meaning from the word theory in the way you are using it.

    At one time the word theory only meant the one thing (the science meaning), but over the last hundred years it has slipped into the general language and the meaning was distorted.

  • skeptic2
    skeptic2

    TopHat - I'd also ask you to consider sending the evidence you have to the most appropriate scientific organization, I can assure you it is of the greatest interest to them.

    You might also want to look into the the James Randi Million Dollar Challenge, which is a prize offered to anyone who " can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event" .

    When you win, please remember me.

  • TopHat
    TopHat

    Skeptic, Sorry but even if God himself came down from above with proof...do you think they will believe? I don't think they will. Anyway, The evidence is in the Physical world of creation...You and Me and all creation shows more evidence of an intelligent creator than creatures that have evolved. It is just impossible.

    As for a contest?? What has the Paranormal got to do with me interring a contest on Paranormal....and Occult? I think I will pass on that! You misunderstand...I have never seen a spirit.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Tophat

    Sorry but even if God himself came down from above with proof...do you think they will believe? I don't think they will.

    Of course they would. Noone doubts the existence of things around them, or the sun or moon. Don't you that it's strange that a supposedly omnipotent being that supposedly created everything can't or won't make a showing of any kind? Everyone believes in of skyscrapers or the people that built them. Everyone believes in the existence of the universe.

    S

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Greendawn

    Instead of launching an ad hom attack, why don't you actually show us how wrong he is through discussion?

    Of course, if ad hom attacks are all you CAN do, I can understand you lashing out in frustration.

    I can't understand what better moral system, relative to Christianity, a morally bankrupt ideology like evolution can offer to this world.

    Yet again you show you know precisely naff-all about evolution. It isn't a moral system you silly rabbit. If you want a moral system that is frequently espoused by atheists try humanism.

    I do suggest you actually try to read up on evolution from sources that don't set-out to "disprove it". Unless you're prepared to do independent study and research on the subject you simply don't know enough to see where such sources are in error, and using such sources means you are liable to repeat idiotic assertions (like evoltuion is a moral system) that you have picked up by reading material written by people so biased and/or ill-informed they will mis-inform people about what evolution is. They make you look silly when you repeat the rubbish they write.

    Although if you don't do independent study and research you will also be unable to determine the valdity of arguments in favour of evolution, as least by reading these sources you might one day be able to define what evolution IS accurately.

    TopHat

    Dawkins was there during the evolutionary process? Was he?

    Straw man argument; no one makes this claim. I suppose you're being 'clever'; and you were there during Creation I suppose?

    Creation by an Intelligent being makes much more sense than evolution ever will!

    So which intelligent being made the Creator? Remember, if you say something like "god was always there" you are doing what is called 'special pleading'; you can't actually PROVE god was there so you insist he was as this is the only way to make your argument look logical. A bit like a kid insisting the invisable purple kangaroo stole the cookies.

    The making of two sexes, male and female, is reason enough.

    Why? I mean, you obviously THINK that, but why is that reason enough? Does that mean that life-forms which don't have gender evolved? You DO realise there are life forms without gender do you? I'm interesetd in your rationalisation of that statement.

    Evolution IS only a theroy...there IS more evidence of a GOD in all creation than in the theroy of evolution.

    Evolution (the change from simple forms to complex forms in the fossil record over time) is a fact. There is no other rational explanation for the bones. The THEORY of evolution explains how this fossil recod came about.

    Please show me the solid evidence you have for god. Someone writing in a book they spoke to him, etc., is not solid evidence, it is hear-say. Solid evidence should be of a level of reliability that would be accepted as beyond reasonable doubt by a court of law.

    There is evidence beyond reasonable doubt that complex forms arrose from simple ones; you might not like the theory that explains how this happened, but it goes beyond your simplist presupposition there is a god.

    It has evidence and explains the evidence. You have no evidence and can't explain the contradiction between the creation myths of various cultures and the facts we see around us.

    Sorry but even if God himself came down from above with proof...do you think they will believe?

    Yes. I don't know if YOU would believe. From what you have displayed you do not base your beliefs on PROOF, so having proof of god would make no difference to your beliefs. A scientist bases his beliefs on PROOF, so would obviously believe in god if god proved himself.

    I don't think they will. Anyway, The evidence is in the Physical world of creation...You and Me and all creation shows more evidence of an intelligent creator than creatures that have evolved. It is just impossible.'

    This is called an argument from personal incredulity.

    It is like a 5-year-old believing in magic because he doesn't understand how a trick happens, or that there is no such thing as magic. Of course, this is the point where you can provide stunning evidence that evolutionary theory is flawed that you uncovered in years of detailed research.

    Or are you just passing on opinions that you can't back-up with your own knowledge?

    You also miss skeptics point about the paranormal. God is part of the paranormal. There is no more evidence for god than there is of demonic possesion, levitation, or astrology. By all means prove otherwise.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    I won't spend any time dissecting the hackneyed "arguments" against evolution that have sprung up on this thread. If someone wishes to start a thread on that subject, I may very well jump in, but I'd prefer to see something better than the argument from incredulity there. I'd love to see a discussion started by someone who's read Dawkins' book and disagrees with it, but that's unlikely to be any of the naysayers in this thread.

    Anyway, as I continued the book last night, it was with considerable glee that I noted the author's choice of creationist material from which to show the emptiness of the Argument from Design. It was an "anonymous and lavishly distributed" book of which Dawkins had received no less than six unsolicited copies from "well-wishers". It was none other than that exemplar of circular arguments, misquotes and shoddy reasoning, Life - How Did It Get Here? - By Evolution or By Creation. Those expecting a devastating critique of the book may be disappointed, though. Dawkins is suitably dismissive of the book, and merely uses it as a sort of random idiocy generator, to provide examples of the deeply flawed, poorly-thought out and intellectually dishonest attempts at reasoning used by creationists.

    So far I'm thoroughly enjoying the book and recommend that any honest believer should read it, if only to be aware of the counter-arguments.

  • TopHat
    TopHat

    OK, Funky, You believe in evolution of all creatures great and small AND Dawkins is just THE MAN to prove it, with you.

    I haven't read the book....I did read the Link you posted.....and I can't see where Dawkins proves anything as far as evolution.

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