IMMEDIATE ASSISTANCE NEEDED!

by Apostate Kate 43 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Oroborus21
    Oroborus21

    I was just wondering which cult it was? I find it odd that she doesn't state which one it is anywhere on her website. I can't believe you have to buy her book just to find out that info. Has anyone read the book? Most cites like hers have a small excerpt. And her bio page has no bio info, more like a brief highlight of her recent accomplishments.

    I like the cover art.

    So anyway for anyone who knows, is she specifically concerned and involved with Jehovah's Witnesses, or just in general due to her experience with another group/NRM?

  • V
    V

    Sent email, PM me if you need more.

  • Apostate Kate
    Apostate Kate

    Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups - Revised

    Janja Lalich, Ph.D. & Michael D. Langone, Ph.D.

    Concerted efforts at influence and control lie at the core of cultic groups, programs, and relationships. Many members, former members, and supporters of cults are not fully aware of the extent to which members may have been manipulated, exploited, even abused. The following list of social-structural, social-psychological, and interpersonal behavioral patterns commonly found in cultic environments may be helpful in assessing a particular group or relationship.

    Compare these patterns to the situation you were in (or in which you, a family member, or friend is currently involved). This list may help you determine if there is cause for concern. Bear in mind that this list is not meant to be a “cult scale” or a definitive checklist to determine if a specific group is a cult. This is not so much a diagnostic instrument as it is an analytical tool.

    ? The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.

    ? Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.

    ? Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).

    ? The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).

    ? The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).

    ? The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.

    ? The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).

    ? The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).

    ? The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.

    ? Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.

    ? The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.

    ? The group is preoccupied with making money.

    ? Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.

    ? Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.

    ? The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.

    This checklist will be published in the new book, Take Back Your Life: Recovering from Cults and Abusive Relationships by Janja Lalich and Madeleine Tobias (Berkeley: Bay Tree Publishing, 2006). It was adapted from a checklist originally developed by Michael Langone.

  • Apostate Kate
    Apostate Kate

    Orobus she makes it clear it is the Watchtower, in her letter, and on her site.

  • Oroborus21
    Oroborus21

    not to get off-topic of the thread TopHat, but I don't see how what you are describing is cultic? without evidence of deception/lying, such as asking for money for the expenses of the assembly stating that the expenses have not yet been covered by donations when in fact they have, that would be deceptive. (not itself cultic actually, just a lie) but we have no evidence of that.

    so what is wrong with just asking for money? nothing of course. and as for specifying where the money is used, few if any religions open their books for public inspection.... and there is nothing inherently cultic about that either by the way.

    a cult is about controlling other's behavior in an immoral way among many other things of course....

  • WTFBBQPWNT
    WTFBBQPWNT

    haha look all the little apostates scamper. This is like the American Idol tryouts for Apostates.

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    We just sent an email

  • Oroborus21
    Oroborus21

    Ah. not exactly clear Kate...but in looking more closely at the site, I gather from Roy Milton's quote that it is about the WTBTS. (I didn't listen to the media stuff, maybe she discusses things there.) the email was clear, but I thought maybe she was just active against all groups she perceives are cults.

    has anyone read the book? how does it compare to Diane Wilson's whiny yarn?

  • Apostate Kate
    Apostate Kate

    WT I see you have been well trained to belittle and attack people with the ability to think for themselves, and have no fear of telling the truth.

  • carla
    carla

    I have to run out and can't email this moment. Could someone who is going to email anyway remember to mention Steve Hassan?

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