Did I kill this thread?
The Procedure of Disfellowshiping done by the WatchtowerYour Views
by The wanderer 21 Replies latest jw friends
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dobbie
PURPS no you haven't killed this thread!What you went through was disgusting and it just shows what an EVIL malicious act disfelllowshipping is, not loving or kind like they make out.I bet you didn't feel anywhere like it at the time but you are a very strong person who puts in some wonderful really helpful posts here dobs
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purplesofa
thanks dobbie
peace.
purps
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Wasanelder Once
Someone accuses you, rightly or wrongly, you are invited to be judged, you seldom meet or know who your accuser was, then they ask leading questions that you cannot help but be convicted by, such as, did you stop committing fornication before, or after, you smoked dope? Of course you've done niether.
Then they ask you to step out of the commitee room while they confirm their prejudice. They ask you back in and say you have seven days to make a futile appeal and they tell you you're getting your ass kicked out, we love you, c'mon back. Just don't talk to any of us again. We'll contact you.
Not only blind, but deaf and DUMB... Sorry to all mutes, I mean DUMB not mute.
W.Once
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BabaYaga
Good gods... hugs to you, Purps. I can't imagine what you went through. And then to wait NINE STINKIN' YEARS FOR THE PRIVILEGE... dang I'm glad you're here now.
I left because I knew that shunning was NOT pleasing to Jehovah in any way, shape or form. I got a JC when I was turned in for sneaking to a DF'd one to encourage him. We read the daily text together on my visits, his idea.
Anyway. Hurt, heal, hurt, heal. There is no way to call their shunning practices right. -
stevenyc
The procedure flys in the face of 1 John ch 1
steve
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anewme
Purps, your candid honesty on this board is what makes you a valuable poster.
We are all so happy to have you here and its their loss, our gain!!
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purplesofa
Thanks anewme and babayaga,
I have one more thing to add about the disfellowshipping procedure.
Never, I mean never, listen to me,
never Go alone before a judicial committee
purps
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blondie
I used to wonder about what the scriptural basis was for having JCs
1) held by 3 or more elders
2) held privately between the elders and the brother/sister
3) why the whole congregation was not there to view it all the proceedings as they did in Jewish times before the gate
4) why the person could not have anyone there to witness what was said
5) why the elders could take notes and the person could not
6) why the person could not know ahead of time who was accusing them (Matthew 18:15-17)
7) why the person was not told what they were being accused of until the walked into the room with the 3 elders
8) why when the person found out what they were accused of, a recess wasn't taken, allowing the person to gather information or witnesses for the defense
9) Why 3 elders made the decision rather than the whole congregation voting on it (the way the Bible Students did it and still do)
10) Where is there any example of a judicial decision being appealed and b eing given 7 days to do so.
The elders would be more accountable for what they say and do with an audience looking on. No more embarrassing sexual questions for the women. No more verbal browbeating.
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it-2p.234LegalCase***A person with a civil matter or a complainant in a criminal matter would bring his case to the judges. The other party would be called, witnesses were gathered together, and the hearing was conducted usually in a public place, most often at the city gates. (De 21:19; Ru 4:1) The judges would question the litigants and examine the evidence and testimony. They would render a verdict without delay unless evidence was lacking, or if the matter was too difficult, the judges would refer the case to a higher court.
(Deuteronomy 16:18) "You should set judges and officers for yourself inside all your gates that Jehovah your God is giving you by your tribes, and they must judge the people with righteous judgment.
***it-1p.518Court,Judicial***
The local court was situated at the gate of a city. (De 16:18; 21:19; 22:15, 24; 25:7; Ru 4:1) By "gate" is meant the open space inside the city near the gate. The gates were places where the Law was read to the congregated people and where ordinances were proclaimed. (Ne 8:1-3) At the gate it was easy to acquire witnesses to a civil matter, such as property sales, and so forth, as most persons would go in and out of the gate during the day. Also, the publicity that would be afforded any trial at the gate would tend to influence the judges toward care and justice in the trial proceedings and in their decisions. Evidently there was a place provided near the gate where the judges could comfortably preside. (Job 29:7)
Blondie
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OnTheWayOut
Excellent post Blondie,
5) why the elders could take notes and the person could not
6) why the person could not know ahead of time who was accusing them (Matthew 18:15-17)
7) why the person was not told what they were being accused of until the walked into the room with the 3 elders
8) why when the person found out what they were accused of, a recess wasn't taken, allowing the person to gather information or witnesses for the defense
9) Why 3 elders made the decision rather than the whole congregation voting on it (the way the Bible Students did it and still do)
Particularly with these points and your insight quote, while I was a participant in the elder process, I think I was always fair, but I am devastated by these thoughts.
