DO YOU STILL HAVE PERSONAL INTEGRITY? (page 3)

juni

Again I re post my feelings:

I appreciate your comments.

I was very bothered yesterday by Butter's comment when he was at the WalMart store and was speaking up for a DFed man who had cheated on his wife; seemed to me minimizing unfaithfulness to one's marriage mate. I don't know if he was being facitious, but he then went on to say that he toked w/him in the parking lot in celebration of his (Butter's) putting the shunner in his place.

For one thing - when you become a member of any organization or even a forum - there are rules to be followed otherwise you are ousted. So you are aware of these "rules" when you join in. JWs have shunning. And carry it to the extreme of breaking up families instead of just "ousting" the individual who "breaks their rules".

Never the less, that individual has shown disregard for personal integrity or had none from the beginning.

No longer a JW, I still have moral integrity in the matter of being faithful to a marriage mate. I don't need anyone/or organization to tell me what's right/wrong. But would I celebrate w/someone who did committ adultry because he was being shunned by an organization who has those rules which he/she accepted when becoming a member? Absolutely NOT.

I wouldn't celebrate w/any one who was an adulterer, etc. I would talk w/them, but not minimize their wrong doing.

Juni

Thanks Narkissos for the link. Whew! I have a headache now. You are better w/the right words than I am even though you are French. Something is wrong w/that picture!

Annie - always the sweet heart. Hope this is a good day for you. Love, Juni

Linda - my, my you was an evil JW cheatin' on your service time. Or did I remember wrong. God I hate this age.

SO REFERRING TO THE SITUATION AS I STATED ABOVE, HOW DO YOU FEEL? I DON'T LIKE TO BE JUDGEMENTAL EITHER, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A MORAL GROUND IN SOCIETY.

ALL THOUGHTS APPRECIATED VERY MUCH.

Juni

Sunspot

Integrity is being true to one's self. So, "moral integrity" is being true to one's morals.

This is exactly the way I see it! So much so, that I included this thought in my DA letter.....that when I was baptized I asked for a clean conscience befor God....

....but with what I had recently discovered about the WTS....I could not go against that God-given conscience to preach and teach others that IT was God's organization upholding HIS teachings! This was going contrary to MY (personal) integrity. Losing that .....what else is left?

Annie

edited to say that I just saw Juni's last post.....and to say thank you!

Why Georgia

I was not ever a JW, but I think my level of personal integrity went up as soon as I realized that I have little video camera's on me all the time. Having my children changed my life the most, realizing my behavior effects them. Not that I was bad before, but I certainly watch what I say and do even more...no F words when driving, etc.

My husband was raised as a JW and doesn't go any longer and he doesn't believe everything he once did...but he is still just as moral. Not in a pious sort of way. In a very respectful way, I am in awe of him a lot of the time for his true christian behavior....even when he irritates the crap out of me.

Best Regards,

Chrystal

TopHat

I think my morals were higher before I became a witness.....I am now back to where I was morally and feel better for it.

juni

Chrystal said:

My husband was raised as a JW and doesn't go any longer and he doesn't believe everything he once did...but he is still just as moral. Not in a pious sort of way. In a very respectful way, I am in awe of him a lot of the time for his true christian behavior....even when he irritates the crap out of me.

Thanks for your post. I know about irritating husbands! But we all are irritating at times. That's only being human. lol Thanks Chrystal!

Juni

fullofdoubtnow

Linda - my, my you was an evil JW cheatin' on your service time. Or did I remember wrong

No you remembered right juni, I was quite often creative in adding up my monthly hours. I wasn't the only one of course, most of the congregation did that, and the elders encouraged it, with remarks like "if you have something and a half hours, round it up to the higher number", so they didn't exactly encourage honesty or integrity, not regarding fs anyway. I suppose they thought it made the figures look better, but it didn't make them any less false.

megsmomma

I am "one of those" that lost all integrity when I left the org.....

but I was depressed, thought I was to die at armegeddon very soon, had no job skills, and was very nieve (sp?) I was so lost at that time and had no idea of how to think for myself...

I mean if I grew up believing it is wrong to swear, masterbate, say "gezuntite", associate with the "world", celebrate holidays, enjoy life......ect ect ect, I mean how much of a stretch is it to fornicate, drink too much, be self destructive??

I was on such a bad path, but it was like I was self fullfilling their prophecy on how my life would be with out Jehovah.

I was always the good little JW, having all the integrity they told me to have and so I forgive myself for the times I had to figure out my own integrity.

Now, I am a completley WHOLE person, and I do have better morals than I did as a JW. I have nothing to lie about....ie, FS time, excuses for missing meetings,mag placements.

So , I guess for the first time....I now do have personal integrity....I never knew what it even was before.

Frannie Banannie

Juni, IMO, I don't think integrity comes as a result of studying or following someone's teachings. I think that either a person has it (it's innate) or they don't. It couldn't possibly be the result of being attached to an organization of any type.

Frannie

choosing life

I came into the witnesses with personal integrity and I left with the same personal integrity. I do have problems with trying to hold to man made rules that I never really agreed with. I remember an elder saying that he would never have stayed with his wife, if he wasn't a witness. I felt sorry for his wife.

A person that has moral integrity will not hurt others needlessly. Many of the things that I changed to become a witness were external showy things that don't amount to a hill of beans, such as cursing. They tend to look at the outside of a person and hide the inside. I really only changed those forced external things when I left. The real me has and always will be the same,with allowance for growth through experience in life. So I only left behind their man made rules which aren't even based on the Bible. And I am able to enjoy people so much more, without the us and them restriction.

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jaguarbass

I believe so. You have to have integrity to get along with others and work and survive, or you will be cast out from society, kind of like the witnesses disfelloshiping one.

Integrity is=

adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty

If you dont have integrity you won't even be able to hold a job at Mcdonalds.

DO YOU STILL HAVE PERSONAL INTEGRITY?

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