SO, IS SELF-SACRIFICE A "GOOD" THING?

by Terry 13 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Terry
    Terry

    What actually is a "sacrifice"?

    Images pop in one's mind. A ritual offering to a tribal deity, a slain ox, even a virgin bound with tethers and killed to appease an island volcano......

    Is a sacrifice giving up a GREATER value to gain a LESSER value? Or, is a sacrifice giving up a LESSER value to gain a GREATER value?

    Usually, when we collectively consider what a sacrifice is we think of a particular person giving up something very dear to them (taking a loss personally) in order for the group they belong to to achieve a greater benefit as a whole.

    Dying for one's country, for example, means just that; an individual defends the nation as a whole within an army and the loss of that particular life is toward achieving a goal considered worthwhile. It is considered a small (though poignant and lamentable) loss with a larger benefit to a greater number who gain something worth the trade.

    Isn't this logical? In a cost/benefit analysis could it be any other way?

    If you were trapped in a cabin in the Pacific Northwest by a violent snowstorm wouldn't you use your valuable antique furniture as firewood rather than freeze to death? Wouldn't you devour the family dog rather than starve?

    The scenarios are endless. Countless situations have sprung up throughout history with horrifying consequences when viewed from afar. The Donner Party is such a case where snowbound sojourners ended up eating each other rather than starve.

    But, these are extremes. What about in everyday life? Isn't self-sacrifice a daily trade-off? A parent gives up sleep to attend to a sick child. A man donates part of his earnings to a worthwhile cause. A family volunteers to help out the less fortunate in a disaster.

    So, is SELF-SACRIFICE a GOOD thing?

    I assert that the answer is not global or universal, but; situationally determined.

    When you sacrifice your SELF it is a momentous decision when it is life or death. Otherwise, it is merely a trade off of values in goods and services.

    Your life is the most you have or will ever have. To end it for any reason is the greatest decision we can make.

    If any other alternative were possible it would be outrageous to even contemplate.

    Yet, in our contemporary society self-sacrifice is considered noble automatically.

    We do our DUTY and that is the highest value.

    But, is it?

    Why is the OTHER person's life more valuable that YOURs?

    If we all die for each other aren't we all dead in the end? What is the logic in that?

    No, you'll find the game is rigged. The deck is stacked. In a society or group or tribe the balance is tilted in favor of an ELITE who ask/cajole/indoctrinate/command the personal sacrifice of the non-elite.

    There is always a means of choosing a VICTIM. Recruitment begins at birth with stories of heroes and martyrs.

    The victim is given praise, naturally. Yet, the victim dies. The family is patted on the back and tears are awarded their loss. But, the loss is permanent.

    Among Jehovah's Witnesses self-sacrifice is a price everybody is expected to make. But, the elite at the top are holding the strings.

    Being the one "serving" and "slaving" for the group is the task of the underlings. The greater the sacrifice; the greater the pat on the head.

    Where should the line be drawn between what is required by the group of the individual? When does the group as a whole become the sacrifice? How do we determine when the price being paid is an outrageous one?

    This is the decision which is the dirty little secret of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    If a child is molested a family may have to sacrifice justice by remaining quiet.

    If a child is dying and needs blood the family may have to allow them to die.

    The life/death sacrifice hovers in the air or dangles like a sword.

    When is the price an outrageous over-payment?

    What do YOU say?

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Good topic.

    Of course you take the objectivist approach to it, which is fully valid but does not exhaust the issue; there is also a subjectivist one which is perhaps complementary (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/63761/1.ashx) and at least cannot be reduced to an objective evaluation. That being said, I'll focus on the objective.

    I assert that the answer is not global or universal, but; situationally determined.

    Agreed, from any standpoint.

    Your life is the most you have or will ever have.

    That's debatable, because "you" don't really "have" your life. From a naturalistic standpoint, there is no "you" which can outlive your "life," hence lament the loss of it: "you" will never have lost your life.

    To end it for any reason is the greatest decision we can make.

    That stands anyway.

    If any other alternative were possible it would be outrageous to even contemplate.

    Objectively, yes. Subjectively, not necessarily.

    Yet, in our contemporary society self-sacrifice is considered noble automatically.

    We do our DUTY and that is the highest value.

    Not sure that this really applies to the contemporary (or perhaps any) society. And I can't imagine any society living without self-sacrifice under given circumstances (i.e. when it is a "duty").

    From an objectivist perspective I agree with the rest of your post. But, again, I'd hold that it's not the only approach available.

    Let me suggest another axiom for what it is worth: regardless of circumstances and socially-controlled "duties," the possibility of choosing to die is (paradoxically) the beginning of freedom.

  • Abandoned
    Abandoned

    Is self-sacrifice a "good" thing?

    It's like Nicolas Cage said in The Family Man when his "daughter" asked him if he liked kids: "On a case by case basis."

    Anyway, I think too often that the motivation behind self-sacrifice is the desire to inflate and already over-inflated ego. While it's always nice to get credit for a good deed, if getting credit was the primary motivation: Where's the love? Or to put it in other terms, if a high-risk lending institution loans someone with bad credit a thousand bucks with 24% interest, is it a show of self-sacrificing love they are doing by risking their money, or just a potentially lucrative business decision? If the reason I'm helping the other person is for the accolades? Well...

  • Terry
    Terry
    Your life is the most you have or will ever have.

    That's debatable, because "you" don't really "have" your life. From a naturalistic standpoint, there is no "you" which can outlive your "life," hence lament the loss of it: "you" will never have lost your life.

    An interesting framing of the idea and discussion on this particular.

    Ownership of life is largely a matter of control, direction and maintenance coupled with improvements and balances. In that sense we "have" our life. We have it in the sense Sarte spoke of when he said, "Do not say 'I did not ask to be born', because; when you do not end your life you have chosen it."

    To wit: each time we eat or drink we are choosing life. Giving up the future prospect of more life to achieve an end is what I address. That "end" is twofold. Once we die we are like the pebble tossed in water that makes a brief hole, yet; rings of resonance widen out therefrom.

  • Terry
    Terry
    Or to put it in other terms, if a high-risk lending institution loans someone with bad credit a thousand bucks with 24% interest, is it a show of self-sacrificing love they are doing by risking their money, or just a potentially lucrative business decision? If the reason I'm helping the other person is for the accolades?

    You've addressed a point worth examing here, I think.

    Such resonances as "nobility" and "heroism" are attached to self-sacrifice it becomes a frosting on the bitter cake; a social repayment, if you will, by way of compensation.

    If self-sacrifice were more of a transaction or quid pro quo, I hear you saying that frosting is removed.

    Jesus is said to have sacrificed his life that anyone exercising faith might live. Jehovah is said to have "given" his only begotten son for that same purpose.

    Yet, really? Jesus came back to life, did he not? He was exhalted in purpose and position and responsibility, was he not? This is quid pro quo.

    Jehovah achieves worshippers who might cease to exist otherwise. Is this not compensation?

    Further, the believer who must exercise faith is actually making a "payment" of obedience and compliance in a faith transaction, is he not? He is rewarded for this attitude and behavior with everlasting life when death would otherwise ensue, right? How is this not quid pro quo too?

    So, your point is well made about the warm and fuzzy accolades of sacrifice where those frilly ajectives become attached and halos start popping out all over.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Let me suggest another axiom for what it is worth: regardless of circumstances and socially-controlled "duties," the possibility of choosing to die is (paradoxically) the beginning of freedom.

    Yet, in the United States it is abhorrent. That poor Schaivo woman was a pawn in controversy over "allowing" death when no quality of life was evident. Dr.Kevorkian languishes in jail for granting peaceful death to those clearly choosing it over "life" with pain.

    There is ambivalence everywhere. Judaism condemns suicide and yet, in the same breath, lauds the heroes of Masada who destroyed their own lives rather than be taken captive by Rome.

    Killing, murder, suicide and such are, in society, named and renamed according to how society wishes to view it for its own convenience and well-being.

    As you say above "choosing" is the essential characteristic of intelligent life.

    My point is how society deems whether you may honorably make such a choice.

    In the Watchtower world there is ignominy attached to certain decisions. Allowing a blood transfusion, for example, to save a child is made MORE of an act of ignominy and reproach than one of mercy and compassion.

    The child's life is rendered beside the point! The SHAMING of the family is more unbearable than the loss of the child!! This emotional and psychological coercion is commonplace.

    When I refused military service during the Viet Nam war because of "religious convictions" mine was a choice which was viewed by non-JW's as cowardly and self-serving. The fact I wasn't exposed to gunfire was seen as the motivating factor. Others could not even begin to know the REAL reasons!

    I faced a psychological opportunity to submit myself as a sacrifice to the group and whatever injury I might suffer would be a badge of honor.

    How confused and disappointed I was when I exited prison only to discover how banal it seemed to the congregation as a whole! Had I died I would have been more of a tool of propaganda like the Bros. and sisters who died in Malawi.

    In conclusion; sometimes the obvious choice of "choosing" this or that may not even be something one is able to consider. Consequently, that choice is off the table and only the sacrifice is available.

    An individual is a rare thing. We are not an individual until we are outside the influence of others and their psychological demands of compliance.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos
    Your life is the most you have or will ever have.

    That's debatable, because "you" don't really "have" your life. From a naturalistic standpoint, there is no "you" which can outlive your "life," hence lament the loss of it: "you" will never have lost your life.

    An interesting framing of the idea and discussion on this particular.

    Ownership of life is largely a matter of control, direction and maintenance coupled with improvements and balances. In that sense we "have" our life. We have it in the sense Sarte spoke of when he said, "Do not say 'I did not ask to be born', because; when you do not end your life you have chosen it."

    To wit: each time we eat or drink we are choosing life. Giving up the future prospect of more life to achieve an end is what I address. That "end" is twofold. Once we die we are like the pebble tossed in water that makes a brief hole, yet; rings of resonance widen out therefrom.

    Agreed.

    Whence my last point that choosing one's death can make sense, both as the subject's ultimate act of freedom and as an anticipation of some "resonance" (whatever it may be). But whether this amounts to self-sacrifice is another matter.

  • Terry
    Terry

    And..

    The only way to fight bad ideas is by driving them out with better ideas.

    I cringe when I think of what I use to say concerning my belief system. I'd say quickly, "I'd die for my faith."

    A better idea is to LIVE for your faith and do something positive.

    The intellectually dead, such as suicide bombers, are driven by an ideology which rewards self-sacrifice and extols death as the supreme virtue.

    As long as there are willing and unwitting victims for sacrifice, what despot or elite will refrain from using them as they march smiling unto death?

    As a society, we here in America only wince a little that a "good cause" requires death, self-sacrifice and destruction.

    I'm thinking here of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    We grouse and grumble after awhile, but; our sons and daughters are just as dead on the battlefield as the foe (and innocents).

    War is the failure of diplomacy. War is the failure of politics. Yet, now, America bypasses diplomacy and exhalts political use of war. Astonishing.

    It would be impossible were it not for the ethic of self-sacrifice. Ours is a VOLUNTEER army, after all!

  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    Once upon a time, I thought my faith (as a JW) was so good that I would die as a martyr!! Silly me.

    Now, because of everything, I am appalled at the thought of self-sacrifice and feel that nobody and/or nothing is worth it.


    LHG

  • truthsetsonefree
    truthsetsonefree

    Self-Sacrifice: another WT euphemism not mentioned in the Bible. It equates to giving up your time and resources to the Watchtower. tsof

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