Blood, Watchtower, Deceit, Aretaeus (page 2)

CPiolo

Hawhaw:

As usual, your research is impecable and thorough. Thanks.

Above you speak of NGO and DPI. Could you fill me in as to what these are?

CPiolo
(waiting to be "dumb" with the wife)

hawkaw

It is Mac's and Zev's stuff on the WTS getting in bed with the United Nations or the "scarlet beast".

Just a God dam shocker if you ask me. The thread is about a month old and some have been posting on H20 about it.

Here is the link:

( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10732&site=3

hawk

p.s. - Did you get me Priestley et. al. stuff and do you want scans of the original Aretaeus stuff so you can make it into a pdf file? I have held off on getting this stuff you did for me to Lee Elder until next week. There is a very important reason why that I cannot tell you about but I assure you, it will make the wait worth while. Again thanks for all of your help.

SarahT

Hawhaw- This might help?
A msg board I frequent an ex-jw asked the same thing and she posted these links, and NO ONE would answer her
http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/ngodir/NGODirAlph/alphabet.htm
http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/ngolink/brochure.htm

also the board I frequent, although I wont be posting on that particular thread anymore because its like talking to a brick wall

http://www.momswhothink.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000396.html
http://www.momswhothink.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000427.html

The links above is what got me thinking about this religion, before the terrrible events I never thought twice, but now I know more.

Moxy

hawh: would you mind including more of the quote from the brochure? its not clear exactly what point the society was making and how the misleading nature of the quote impacts their argument.

mox

hawkaw

Welcome SarahT and thanks.

I have seen the first two urls thanks to Mac et.al. But thanks again for posting them on this thread. It is very important.

I will look at the last two urls you gave me.

I am glad the rose coloured glasses came off. I try to do a lot of work for http://www.ajwrb.org

Take care and keep on posting

hawk

SarahT

Thank you for the welcome, I only had one person back me up on the other board, I am sarah there too :) I cant beleive how people wont widen their thoughts and bash mine, like I said its like talking to a brick wall, like they are programmed

SarahT

I tried going there and it said network error, what did I do wrong? I would like to see your site :)

hawkaw

Hi Moxy,

Thanks for your repsonse. I look forward to your input. Here is more of the blood pamphlet found at the Watchtower ( http://www.watchtower.org ). I have bolded the part I cited. It seemed to me that the WTS writers were trying to to use Aretaeus to bolster the thought that drinking blood was being used as medicine. Also they seemed to forget Aretaeus was against the killing of people for cannablistic acts such as this. I look forward to your comments.

hawk

WHAT OF USING BLOOD AS MEDICINE?
Would the Biblical prohibition on blood cover medical uses, such as transfusions, which certainly were not known in the days of Noah, Moses, or the apostles?
While modern therapy employing blood did not exist back then, medicinal use of blood is not modern. For some 2,000 years, in Egypt and elsewhere, human "blood was regarded as the sovereign remedy for leprosy." A physician revealed the therapy given to King Esar-haddon's son when the nation of Assyria was on the leading edge of technology: "[The prince] is doing much better; the king, my lord, can be happy. Starting with the 22nd day I give (him) blood to drink, he will drink (it) for 3 days. For 3 more days I shall give (him blood) for internal application." Esar-haddon had dealings with the Israelites. Yet, because the Israelites had God's Law, they would never drink blood as medicine.
Was blood used as medicine in Roman times? The naturalist Pliny (a contemporary of the apostles) and the second-century physician Aretaeus report that human blood was a treatment for epilepsy. Tertullian later wrote: "Consider those who with greedy thirst, at a show in the arena, take the fresh blood of wicked criminals . . . and carry it off to heal their epilepsy." He contrasted them with Christians, who "do not even have the blood of animals at [their] meals . . . At the trials of Christians you offer them sausages filled with blood. You are convinced, of course, that [it] is unlawful for them." So, early Christians would risk death rather than take in blood.
"Blood in its more everyday form did not . . . go out of fashion as an ingredient in medicine and magic," reports the book Flesh and Blood. "In 1483, for example, Louis XI of France was dying. 'Every day he grew worse, and the medicines profited him nothing, though of a strange character; for he vehemently hoped to recover by the human blood which he took and swallowed from certain children.'"

hawkaw

SarahT

It is actually Lee Elder's site but I can't access it right now either. I guess it is down for a while.

At the bottom of the JW board (below the posts and everything else) you will notice the following:

visit: Silentlambs | Freeminds | WatchTower Observer | Assoc. JW Reform on Blood

Just click on the "Assoc. JW Reform on Blood" in a little while. Hopefully the site will be up and running within a couple of hours.

Those other sites that are mentioned at the bottom are pretty good too!

hawk

hawkaw

SarahT

The url for ajwrb.org is working now

hawk

Blood, Watchtower, Deceit, Aretaeus

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