'Lost' redux

by Rex B13 39 Replies latest jw friends

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  jonjonsimons

  Rex,
  There is one major differance between men who raise children as their own knowing they are not, and a 14 year old girl giving birth. The men don't have to worry about dying from it. The toll that pregnancy and childbirth inflicts on a woman physically and emotionally is tremendous. Imagine what that would do to a 14 year old child. I also don't believe in abortion for conveniences sake. I don't know anyone that does. But as a man I believe it is not my place to assume I know better than the woman affected, what the right course of action for her should be.

  As far as capital punishment is concerned I'm sure you won't be suprised to know that I am mostly against it. I don't see how we can teach children that killing is wrong, by killing. I also believe that spending the rest of your life behind bars is a much more stringent punishment then simply being put to sleep.

  I'll be very honest with you Rex. Most of the people I know and associate with on a regular basis are Christians. My partner is Catholic, even though the very church he believes in condems him to hell, but that's a totaly different subject and I'm not going there. I would say approx. 80 percent of the people I know are pro choice, 50 percent are anti death penalty and 20-30 percent support animal rights. I personally have made snide comments to women wearing fur coats in the past myself.(when I was a young silly man) Not strangers on the street but to people I consider to be friends. The only distinction that I make as far as animals are concerned is that I do feel it's wrong to kill an animal simply for it's fur. I find it gross to wear a dead animal on my back, that was killed just because it was pretty. That may be simplistic, but that's how I feel. I can't catagorize peoples political views based on their religious views. Everytime I do, I meet someone like myself who doesn't fit into that mold.

  Believe me Rex when I tell you that I have thouroghly examined my belief system in the last few months. Mabey it's because I'm dying, mabey it's because I've matured as a human being. I don't know the reason. I have concluded that my belief system is what carries me through each day, and in the end, that's all that matters. I'm sure you can understand that.

  Peace and love to you and yours,
  Jon

  BTW if I sounded mad in my last post I kinda was. I've since taken several deep breaths and am no longer angry. If the anger in my last post caused you hurt, I apologize.
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  Rex B13

  Wait a minute.
  You are dying? Why do I argue so passionately and yes, angrily, at times? He's there, man, I know it and feel His presence in my life and see what His love does for people.

  Please read some of these:
  Mere Christianity.........C.S. Lewis
  Christianity: a Witness of History......J.N. Anderson
  the New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?......F.F. Bruce
  Evidence That Demands a Verdict........Josh McDowell
  History and Christianity........John Montgomery
  Basic Christianity..........John Stott
  Bible Explorer's Guide......John Phillips

  Did you know that God's grace is free and cannot be earned?
  All that is required is for you to believe in the sacrifice of our Lord at the cross, ask forgiveness and repent of your past life of sin! Pick up your cross and follow Christ.

  God loves you. John 2.16,
  You are a sinner. Romans 3.23,
  You are now dead in sin. Romans 6.23,
  Christ died for you. Romans 5.6-8,
  You can be saved by faith alone. Acts 16.30-31,
  You can know you are saved. 1 John 5.10-13,
  You can be obedient Acts 5.29

  Read these with an open mind and open heart that God may bring salvation to your soul!
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  jonjonsimons

  Rex,
  You are incorrigible. I thought you knew since you posted to my thread about having leukemia. It doesn't look good right now because the treatments don't seem to be working. We won't know for sure for a couple of weeks but I have a feeling of dread about it. I do appreciate your thoughts and I know you are sincere. However my belief system is in tact and come what may my spirit is whole and well.

  Sometimes you sound like such a jackass, (as do I) but you do have a good heart don't you guy.

  Peace,
  Jon
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  Seeker

  Rex is a good man. We go back several years and despite my arguments with his views, I have always had a personal respect for him.
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  SixofNine

  You really are a piece of shit.

  Just thought this point could not be emphasized enough!
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  Trilobite

  Seeker,

  You're entitled to your views, of course. Rex and I also go back, and I have had ample opportunity to observe his ignorance and his bigotism. Personally I have never considered ignorant fanatical bigots and liars to be "good men." These are exactly the kind of people who would actually kill others who oppose their world view, given the right circumstances, as we know all to well. Had Rex an iota of intelligence, or the opportunity, then his attitudes would be dangerous. Anyone who argues that the Golden Rule doesn't work when it comes to nations is endorsing the kinds of actions engaged in by terrorists who are merely waging war in an asymmetric environment. If the tables were turned Rex would, no doubt, do the same thing. In fact, I would be surprised if this sterling, born again "Christian" would not endorse the use of nuclear weapons against innocent civilians so as to preserve his twisted ideals.

  There are is real evil in this world and it manifests itself initially in attitudes. This bozo, this "good man", exhibits these attitudes in rich measure.
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  jonjonsimons

  Trilobite,
  You of course are also entitled to your opinion and I respect you for it. I think after all is said and done that Rex does have a good heart. Misguided maybe, but still a good heart. I feel he would say the same of me. He only quoted scripture to me in an attempt to save my soul. I of course don't wish to be saved in that way, but the thought was nice and well intentioned.

  Peace and love to you and yours,
  Jon
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  Farkel

  Trilobye, my dear friend,

  : Had Rex an iota of intelligence, or the opportunity, then his attitudes would be dangerous.

  Ah, but you and I have an iota of intelligence, don't we? Were not our own attitudes dangerous for much or most of our lives?

  Rex is lost, poor soul. And he's angry, too. That's even sadder. I have hope for him. I hope that this is just a phase he is going through to find his own way. I went through many of them myself, and continue on in the process. He exhibited much more human qualities when he was just a "Wordly Witness" than he does now.

  Hope springs eternal.

  "Pollyanna" Farkel

  "When in doubt, duck!"
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  Abaddon

  Oh dear Rex, your spittle-flecked prose is really rather pointless. You have failed at every turn to prove your theory of god, and yet you use this as a lens through which to examine the world without regard to the fact you cannot be sure you are right.

  You imply the spirit speaks to you, that you regard the affect it has on you as manifest proof of your beliefs.

  Is this the same spirit as speaks to a Haitian voodoo priest or a African animist? The same spirit that motivates gurus? The same spirit that drives mullahs? The same spirit that drove Rev. Jim Jones? The same spirit that drives JW's, or those UFO nuts who commited suicide? The same spirit that motivates Scientologists? The same spirit that motivates an anti-abortionist to kill a abortion-clinic doctor? Or that pulled the trigger of the gun pointing at Martin Luther King? Or the one pointing at Larry Flint?

  The list is endless, I could go on, but I think the point is clear.

  ALL THOSE PEOPLE THINK OR THOUGHT THAT THEY ARE RIGHT.

  And you, hell, everyone is just like them, to one extent or the other.

  So all your ranting is a picture without a frame, a poem without paper, a fruitless exercise in soap-boxing.

  I wish I had your free-time.

  ANyway;

  The agenda HERE is so obvious. We have people with no hope pouncing on people who have been spiritually abused.

  Yeah, like you pounce on people with your right-wing Christian monologues. And I have hope. Most atheists have hope. It's just a different hope from that promulgated by your theory of god.

  Some here even prove the WBTS correct about 'apostates'. I can't recommend this place to any JW looking for answers.

  Oh, so because some people have the temerity to disagree with your theory of god, no JW should come here looking for answers. What bollocks Rex.

  Try taking a little survey of those who have the atheist/liberal world-view, common denominators are these causes; big goverment, abolishing religion from public places (ACLU), extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism (not rights-man hating), abortions, animal rights (our cousins!), evolution, pacifism, no gun rights, against capital punishment and often anti-Americanism.

  Quite frankly christo-facists like you MAKE me anti-American. Oh, christo-facist isn't meant as an insult, it's meant as a description. Oh, you forgot 'white-man' hating, didn't you? You've used that phrase before. Be careful who your words make you stand next to Rex.

  Shall I phrase that more carefully so I am sure you understand? Your words make you sound like a totalitarian right-winger with misogynistic and racist tendancies. Now, I think you're severely conflicted, but some people whose opinions I generally respect don't think you are that bad. So I'm going to assume you are not the horrible red-neck you paint yourself to be.

  But what is wrong with people believeing those things? Or is all your patriotism and belief in America restricted to those who believe what you believe? The founders of your country had a very different concept of freedom to you!

  Keep on rocking in the free world...
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  Julie

  Rex--

  I see you merely re-posted your blather over here. Well I thought I would repeat my answer to your repeated drivel. It's ugly but sincere:

  Ah the reclusive sage surfaces--
  Let us inspect the pearls of wisdom he has cast before us:

  :Atheists and athettes, always trumpet their superior 'intellect and ethics'

  Funny Rex--you *never* refute anything I answer you with. Never. Does credibility mean anything to you Rex? Do you realize the way *not* to obtain it is emotional rants like this one (and the thousand that came before this one)?

  :while supporting things like abortion (baby murder),

  I am not big on name calling but it applies here-- you are the biggest hypocrite on this board. You can cut and paste reems of information excusing wholesale slaughter by your venegeful, petty biblegod but if someone doesn't bring a child into the world that maybe they cannot support/take care of, they are murderers. As long as you are ok with wholesale slaughter you have no right to speak on the topic of abortion. Unless you enjoy wallowing in your filthy hypocrisy. The same holds true for all those right-to-lifers. Few of those people give a rip what happens to the child after the womb. I consider myself a proponant of Right-to-a-Decent-life.

  :the holy right to spread STDs like AIDS and hepatitus (of several types) just for their own selfish, destructive lifestyles, the rights of criminals over the rights of victims and the list goes on and on.

  Yeah, there's no believers who practice unprotected, illicit sex, are there? Not one bible-thumping believer out there with an STD, eh? Spare us your dramatic blather you lunatic.

  :They insist on the right to live without God, then, when things blow up and fall apart around them they blame God for their own free will choices!

  How can we blame something we don't believe in? We don't insist on our right to not believe in God (we don't have to since you don't make the laws Mr. Taliban-wannabee), we merely insist you and folks like you prove/back up your ridiculous assertions. You've yet to do that Rex, how about now?

  :What a galling bit of arrogance and hypocrisy!

  You should quit looking in the mirror Rex.

  :Guess what, America (and maybe Europe) are waking up to the lies of the liberal/no God agenda and that agenda is now becoming politically incorrect!

  Taking responsibility for our own actions is becoming incorrect? Where do you get your info? The day we let lunatics like you into the secular system will never come.

  :People are seriously rethinking their lives and the road they are traveling is being recognized as quicksand.

  Yes, Rex, people are waking up to the fact that they have been worshipping a homicidal maniac all their lives who is, in reality, a myth created to keep people in line with fear. It is a rude awakening at first but watching fanatics like you rant serves to confirm all that many learn about and dislike when they read the bible.

  :This is like 'shooting fish in a barrel'!

  I imagine shooting yourself in the foot (as you do all the time) would indeed be as easy as shooting fish in a barrel. I guess as long as you enjoy--it have at it. Enjoy!

  Thanks for helping me to share the Happy News of biblegod!!

  Julie