CHANGE IN RESURRECTION DOCTRINE?

by Mary 70 Replies latest jw friends

  • Scully
    Scully
    It seems that resurrected ones of the 24 elders group may be involved inthe communicating of divine truths today

    It sounds to me like they're gearing up to put more emphasis on the inevitability that within a few years, the Ring Masters of the Watchtower Circus are going to be non-Anointed™, due to the fact that all the Anointed™ geezers will have croaked enjoyed their reward in the First Resurrection™.

    I know they already have the Nethinim Class™ identified in that way, but this seems to me to be a way of bolstering that pile of bull$h!t teaching.

  • SirNose586
    SirNose586
    Jesus Christ was anointed as future King in the fall of 29 CE. Three and a half years later in the spring of 33 CE he was resurrected as a mighty spirit person. Could it then be reasoned that since Jesus was enthroned in the fall of 1914, the resurrection of his faithful anointed followers began 3 1/2 years later in the spring of 1918? That is an interesting possibility. Although this cannot be directly confirmed in the bible, (like virtually ALL of their doctrines can't) it is not out of harmony with other scriptures that indicate that the first resurrection got under way soon after Christ's presence began.

    This is insane. Why would...resurrection in 1918....somehow coincide with what, a court trial?

    I've read up on some crazy nonsense from back in the day, but to see it unfold before my eyes is really something else.

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1
    Hell, most of the Dubs wouldn't quit going even if they said that Jesus was returning as a giant can-opener!

    Jesus is that you?

  • blondie
    blondie

    Yes, ann o'maly had a thread on that around here somewhere.

    The WTS likes to back off from a doctrine slowly allowing bad memories, a high percentage of members baptized after 1988, and out-of-date publications to finish it off.

    Unfortunately, this one should be in the Revelation Climax book and I don't think it is one of the updates.

    *** re chap. 17 p. 103 par. 12 ‘Slaughtered Souls’ Rewarded ***

    All the evidence indicates that this heavenly resurrection began in 1918, after Jesus’ enthronement in 1914 and his riding forth to start his kingly conquest by cleansing the heavens of Satan and his demons.

    *** re chap. 38 p. 274 par. 6 Praise Jah for His Judgments! ***

    It was in 1918 that Jehovah began rewarding ‘those fearing his name, the small and the great’—the first of these being the anointed Christians who had died faithful, whom he resurrected and stationed in the heavenly ranks of the 24 elders. (Revelation 11:18)

    *** w88 10/15 p. 12 par. 13 "This Is the Day of All Days" ***

    In harmony with this and according to all the evidence, those of the anointed who had already died faithful began to be resurrected to their promised place in the heavenly sanctuary starting in 1918. (1 Thessalonians 4:16; Revelation 6:9-11)

    It is interesting that there does not seem to be anything in the publications after 1988 on this point. But notice these definite statements from the past.

    *** w86 10/1 p. 14 Comfort From the God of Peace ***

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    Watchtower has long presented the view that this resurrection of anointed Christians from death commenced in the year 1918.

    *** w79 6/15 p. 29 par. 10 Living Now in That "Last Day" of Resurrection ***

    The spiritual resurrection of the "dead in Christ" in the spring of 1918, three and a half years from the enthronement of Christ at the end of the Gentile Times in autumn of 1914, would parallel Jesus’ own resurrection on Nisan 16, 33 C.E., "at the half of the week." (Dan. 9:27)

    *** w70 6/1 p. 331 par. 22 Do You Have "Faith to the Preserving Alive of the Soul"? ***

    The resurrection of the anointed Christians, who number 144,000, is to spirit life in heaven and it began to occur in 1918 C.E., after the establishment of the heavenly Kingdom in 1914. (Rev. 12:1-5; 14:1, 4; 20:4-6; 1 Cor. 15:50-55) Such Christians are "made perfect" in the heavens prior to the earthly resurrection of faithful pre-Christian witnesses of Jehovah

    *** w67 6/1 p. 345 The Wedding That Brings Worldwide Rejoicing ***

    Evidence from the prophecies of the Bible and their fulfillment in our timeindicates that Jesus Christ came with his Father, Jehovah God, to the temple for judgment in 1918 C.E. He first turned his attention to the members of his Bride who were asleep in death and resurrected them. They, of course, joined the Bridegroom at that time.

    *** w66 1/1 p. 30 A New Priesthood Begins ***

    In 1918 he began to resurrect his faithful congregation to be with him.

    *** w66 2/15 p. 123 Does Peter Now Use the Keys of the Kingdom? ***

    In 1918 he was resurrected to the heavens along with the other faithful members of Christ’s congregation who had died prior to that time. But Peter is no gatekeeper

    *** w65 2/15 p. 102 par. 7 For Whom There Are Resurrection Hopes ***

    According to indications in the Bible, their resurrection began in the year 1918 C.E., or three and a half years after Jesus Christ was enthroned and crowned as heavenly King to begin ruling in the midst of his enemies. (Ps. 110:1, 2; Heb. 10:12, 13; Rev. 14:13)

    *** w60 7/15 p. 440 par. 6 Staying Awake with the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" ***

    It was God’s will for the awakening of the remnant on earth to follow the 1918 heavenly resurrection of anointed ones who died prior to that time. (Rev. 11:18)

    *** w60 8/1 p. 462 "Creating New Heavens and a New Earth" ***

    Just as the Jewish leaders’ rejection of Jesus could not prevent God’s raising of his Son from the dead, so Christendom’s rejection of the King could not prevent God from raising Jesus’ faithful followers from the dead.So in harmony with the picture of 1900 years ago, it was only a short time after the temple’s cleansing in 1918 that the heavenly resurrection of the anointed Christians sleeping in death took place, unseen to human eyes.

    *** w60 8/1 p. 462 "Creating New Heavens and a New Earth" ***

    The spring of A.D. 1918 marked the opening of the temple to the King’s entrance and thereafter the resurrection of the anointed Christians who, along with Jesus, make up "the temple of the living God."—2 Cor. 6:16.

    *** w59 2/1 p. 84 par. 28 Maintaining Our Spiritual Paradise ***

    Since the setting up of the heavenly kingdom in 1914 and since the coming of Jehovah and his Messenger of the covenant, Jesus Christ, to the spiritual temple in 1918, the dead apostles and other spirit-begotten Christians who died faithful prior to those events have been resurrected. Jesus was used to resurrect these world conquerors from the dead. (John 6:54-57)

    *** w59 6/1 p. 347 The Resurrection Hope ***

    Fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that the resurrection of these body members of Christ began when he came to his house for judgment in 1918.

    *** w58 8/1 p. 464 Calling the Members of the Kingdom of Heaven ***

    The "man not clothed with the wedding garment" actually representsa class of people who were made manifest after Jehovah accompanied by Christ Jesus came to the temple for judgment A.D. 1918. The present time, since that year, is when the marriage of Jehovah’s Son is being consummated by resurrecting all the spirit-begotten saints who died faithful before 1918 or have since died and uniting them in never-ending wedlock with the heavenly Bridegroom.

    *** w54 4/1 p. 220 par. 14 The "Likeness of Melchizedek" ***

    Christ has been invisibly present in his kingdom since A.D. 1914, and those who died faithful belonging to him as members of the royal priesthood have had this "earlier resurrection" since his coming to the temple in 1918.—Mal. 3:1-5; Rev. 11:15 to 12:5.

    *** w54 5/1 p. 285 par. 25 Resurrection Our Strength-giving Hope ***T

    he time is steadily drawing closer when it will be a reality, not only to members of the 144,000, resurrected since 1918, but to those who will live on earth

    *** w54 6/15 p. 372 par. 12 The Revelation of Jesus Christ ***

    A second word, epipháneia, translated "manifestation," means appearing, manifestation or a coming to light or to view. The use of this word points to Christ’s appearance in the temple for judgment in 1918 and marks the beginning of favorable judgment, first, in the resurrection of the anointed already asleep in death (2 Tim. 4:8)

    Blondie

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    They allow themselves the possibility of future change. The sheep must believe the doctrine (to do otherwise would have them labelled as apostate), but if they want to change the doctrine in the future they will quote this article saying "we only ever suggested it was a 'possibility'. Talking out both sides of their mouth.

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    It seems that resurrected ones of the 24 elders group may be involved inthe communicating of divine truths today. Why is that important? Because the correct identity of the great crowd was revealed to God's anointed servants on earth in 1935. If one of the 24 elders was used to convey that important truth, he would have had to be resurrected to heaven by 1935 at the latest. That would indicate that the first resurrection began somewhere inbetween 1914 and 1935.

    "the identity was revealed to gods anointed servants on earth".. by prophecy? no.. they claim they dont prophesy in gods name. too easy to apply that scripture that says if people claim prophecies in gods name and it doesnt come to pass they are false prophets .

    ya know.. it always confused me why jesus would return and all he did was free those guys from jail and start ressurecting the annointed. were there not any starving or sick or dying around back then? you'd think he'd return with more effective ways of helping mankind and proving his return! and another thing.. the annointed is scattered all over the globe and have nothing to do with revealing anything to anyone. geeze. once your out and actually start thinking it all seems so retarded.

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    So now instead of claiming to be one of the annointed, egomaniacs in the borg can claim to be one of the resurrected? Sounds perfectly plausable to me....

    carmel b

  • Clam
    Clam

    Interesting post - thank you Mary

    If one of the 24 elders was used to convey that important truth, he would have had to be resurrected to heaven by 1935 at the latest. That would indicate that the first resurrection began somewhere inbetween 1914 and 1935.

    I don't know how these muppets have got the cheek to say they're inspired. They make it up as they go along.

  • truthsetsonefree
    truthsetsonefree
    It seems that resurrected ones of the 24 elders group may be involved inthe communicating of divine truths today. Why is that important? Because the correct identity of the great crowd was revealed to God's anointed servants on earth in 1935. If one of the 24 elders was used to convey that important truth, he would have had to be resurrected to heaven by 1935 at the latest. That would indicate that the first resurrection began somewhere inbetween 1914 and 1935.

    Amazing that they are not embarassed to print such foolishness. Speculation on top of speculation squared.

    tsof

  • Pubsinger
    Pubsinger

    Life of Brian.

    "ooooooh. You're making it up. Go on. Your making it up"

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