Who thinks Killing or Dying for your country is a good Idea? (page 3)

jaguarbass

I dont think killing or dying for your country is a good idea. Maybe thats a JW influence that I will never get out of me. I try to look at it as objectively as I can. When your dead your dead. The politicians all seem corrupt history is twisted and written by the victors. If you have no opportunity, no direction then joining the mlliatary could be good if you survive. You get college money and gi loans for a house. I think we are a war like nation because the defense industry is a big business and its protected. When they build the various war technologies they want to try them out. I think a country the size of the USA needs a military and needs to protect itself. I'm kind of like George W. Bush your sons and daughters can go and sacrafice for this great country but not mine. I say that, but my son did serve in the Navy, I think he came out better for it.

P.S.........Of the 63 Guys who went over there, in my class (class of 67)...............no one died over there..........4 guys came back killed themselfs!

I graduated in 71 I had a high number and didnt have to deal with it. I am only aware of 2 people in my class that went in the military. I think thats because you had the draft in 67 and they went to the lottery by 71. Plus by 71 the war had a pretty bad vibe going among the younger people.

tetrapod.sapien

lilly,

i agree too, and if divine intervention ever came to help the situation, i would welcome it of course. why would i fight it? ;)

i am actually one atheist that is coming to feel that we can have world peace with all the different religions, as long as people in the religions are moderate, including non believers. we have to focus on the things we all have in common, instead of the systemic differences in our beliefs. but even more so, i do not think it is religions or beliefs that cause violence, but just the nature of humans, actually.

i used to laugh and scoff at religious people who tried to marry religion and science, or spiritual belief and science, because the two really don't go together technically. but now i am coming to appreciate that if religious people can keep their religious beliefs, AND learn more about our nature and why we are violent, biologically and psychologically, then this will go a long way toward world peace. because understanding our nature, means coming to acceptance of it. and acceptance means inner peace. and inner peace means outer peace, and by extension, world peace.

but i am hopeful, regardless! why would i be any other way? :)

thanks for the dialog, i learned something from it.

take care,

tetra

lovelylil

tetra,

I learned something from you as well. You take care too. Lilly

jaguarbass

ever notice how dumb violent people attract other dumb violent people?

Tetra are you talking about the Republican party in the United States? Bush's followers.

Fleshybirdfodder

Tetra,

I respect your view, and I am sure you will respect mine. We are the same age and I lived in your beautiful province for some time. What I respect most of all is we have the freedom to express our opinions and differences. Does that mean I am going to do a pre-emptive strike on another country to force my belief system down their throat? No. However, were I to walk down a street and see a man hitting his wife or child, what is my moral responsibility? I'm not one to buy into the nonsense of the current administration down South, but the moment freedom to express my opinion is threatened, I will stand my ground. Or perhaps I could just become a hermit in the woods, or an ascetic running from reality like the proverbial Ostrich with his head jammed in the ground. Remember my friend, laws govern all of us. Even the Buddha and his followers had to beg for food. Peace is what we all want. Just don't expect the freedom to express your view without a wee bit of a struggle. If you leave that to other people and then tsk tsk them for ensuring it, that is your right.

FBF

tetrapod.sapien

hi FBF!

Remember my friend, laws govern all of us. Even the Buddha and his followers had to beg for food.

yes, i agree. one important lesson i have learned, is that i live by the grace of others. even people who i consider "violent and dumb". bush for example. i really, really, really, really, really dislike the man, and what he represents. and yet, i live by his grace, since he could kill me, or enslave me any time he wanted to (not that he knows i even exist, of course).

thx.

hi jag!

Tetra are you talking about the Republican party in the United States? Bush's followers.

no jag, i am talkng about all homo sapiens who have not yet shed their meat. in other words, all fundamentalist/violent/ignorant/arrogant people. some are rebublicans, some are arabs, some are buddhists, some are dems, some are my neighbors, and some are yours.

the issue is so much larger than bush, and the repubs.

when i talk about getting peaceful, and educating ourselves, and obtaining inner peace for the sake of outer peace, i am talking about nothing other than the evolution of our own species.

evolution, peace, sentience, love,

tetra

OUTLAW

NewBoy..You make the subject so black and white..It`s not..Do I have to protect my Family?...OUTLAW

SixofNine

"we have to focus on the things we all have in common, instead of the systemic differences in our beliefs. but even more so, i do not think it is religions or beliefs that cause violence, but just the nature of humans, actually."

Agree on the first, disagree on the second. I'm as convinced as ever that bad beliefs kill. The nature of humans, imo, is to act on their beliefs. Not completely logically, rationally, or consistently, and always with plenty of exceptionalism for perceived self interest...but by and large, people live (or die, or worse: something inbetween) their beliefs.

new boy

I'm with tetra on this one............................As far as I'm concerned..............It is black and white.

Someone protecting his family one thing ............and joining the army are 2 different things.

The job discription for the army is "Kill or be Killed"

Notice the thread is "killing or dying for YOUR COUNTRY..............It doesn't say family

Once you join the military..............You really have no choice of which war you will or not fight in.

And since I do believe in an after life..............I would rather die then kill others for "my freedom".........I would do that even if I didn't.

"Those that live by the sword WILL die by the sword".....I don't believe in the JWs.......I still believe in Jeaus.....What country would he kill for?

.................No world power last for forever EVEN the U.S.A.......its days are numbered..

Mystla

It's not black and white.. Tetra stated earlier that he would not kill even to protect his family.. do you really agree with that, Newboy? If your country was invaded.. how would you protect your family? Would you consider joining forces with your neighbors to defend your town..your house? Would you shoot an invader who was killing your neighbor? That would be considered killing for your country.. or dying if they shot you first. War is not always comfortably far away.

Even dying for your country is less black and white that you might think. My husband joined the Navy when he was 19. Within a year he was so sick they pulled him off his ship. He was honorably discharged a year later. He didn't die, but he lost his life. He lives in excrutiating pain all day every day.. he is exhausted and tired of fighting.. it took 12 years to get VA to give him the benifits he deserves. The military made him sick.. he never even left American waters, so they can't blame it on someone else... This man is 33 years old and his life is over, has been for years, and he will die of his illness eventually.

Death is quick.. would you suffer years of torment for your country? If he could do it over.. I know my husband wouldn't.

Misty

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