The origins of the Star of Bethlehem - was Satan really behind it?

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  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Thanks to JW Info line we have this very interesting example of talking with a JW regarding this topic:

    http://jwinfoline.com/Documents/Christmas/Was_the_star_of_bethlehem_satans_star.htm

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

    Part Two: Was the star of Bethlehem Satan's Star?

    This message will take the form of a simulated discussion between a Jehovah's Witness named Joe and a Christian named Chris.

    Chris: Joe, can you tell me why the Watchtower believes that the star of Bethlehem was Satan's star and that the wise men were led by Satan?

    Joe: I have brought some information from the Watchtower for you to look at Chris. Look at this article in the July 1, 1985 Watchtower. On pages 16 & 17 it says "Who do you think provided the star that moved in the sky to guide the astrologers? Remember, the star did not guide them directly to Jesus in Bethlehem. Rather, they were led to Jerusalem where they came in touch with King Herod, who wanted to kill Jesus. And he would have done so if God had not stepped in and warned the astrologers not to tell Herod. It was God's enemy, Satan the Devil, who wanted Jesus killed, and he used that star to try to accomplish this purpose." You see, Chris the star that led the magi was Satan's star and it was used to try to destroy Jesus.

    Chris: That is certainly a very interesting premise Joe, but I have never seen it that way from scripture. I'm wondering if you could answer some questions I have about the story of the star and the wise men found in the Bible.

    Joe: I am always willing to answer your Bible questions.

    Chris: Look at Matthew 2:1 & 2.

    Joe: In the New World Translation is says "After Jesus had been born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, look! Astrologers from eastern parts came to Jerusalem, saying: "Where is the one born king of the Jews? For we saw his star (when we were) in the east, and we have come to do him obeisance."

    Chris: Joe, according to Matthew 2:1 & 2, where did the wise men see the star?

    Joe: It says they saw the star when they were in the east.

    Chris: Does it say that the star led them to Jerusalem?

    Joe: Well...no, it just says that they saw the star in the east. But it had to lead them to Jerusalem or else how did they get there?

    Chris: Obviously they knew something about the Jews and their religion because the Bible says that they knew that the star was connected with the long-awaited king of the Jews. If they were aware of the Jew's belief in a coming king, where do you think that they would look to find the king?

    Joe: Jerusalem was the logical choice as it was the capital city and had the throne of king Herod.

    Chris: That's right, Joe. Logically Jerusalem would be the place to start their search for the king. But can you find any verse that says that the star led the wise men to Jerusalem?

    Joe: Hmmm. Well, no I guess there isn't any verse. We just assume that the star led them to Jerusalem because Satan wanted Jesus killed.

    Chris: You know Joe, there is a verse that talks about the star leading the magi. Have a look at Matt. 2:9.

    Joe: It says, "When they had heard the king, they went their way; and, look! the star they had seen (when they were) in the east went ahead of them, until it came to a stop above where the young child was."

    Chris: Joe, did the star lead the magi to Jesus?

    Joe: Yes, it did. But it was Satan's star.

    Chris: Look at verse 12. Who gave the wise men direction in a dream?

    Joe: It says "However, because they were given divine warning in a dream not to return to Herod, they withdrew to their country by another way." Here Jehovah warned the wise men to stay away from Herod but he had to do this or else Herod would have killed Jesus.

    Chris: If the star of Bethlehem was Satan's star, then Satan goofed! He should have sent the star to direct Herod not the wise men. You see the wise men were obedient to Jehovah, but Herod obviously was not.

    Joe: The star couldn't have been Jehovah's star. There is no reason to send pagan astrologers to Jesus other then to stir up Herod to try to kill Jesus.

    Chris: Joe, if the magi were pawns of Satan and influenced by him, then they would not have obeyed Jehovah's warning in a dream. The fact that they obeyed Jehovah proves that they were sent by him.

    Joe: So, they obeyed him that proves nothing.

    Chris: Jehovah could easily have stopped the wise men from finding Jesus just as He stopped Herod from finding Jesus. But the wise men provided something for his Son that was needed because of an important prophecy.

    Joe: What do you mean?

    Chris: Matthew 2:15 quotes a prophecy from Jehovah about His Son being in Egypt. And verse 18 is another prophecy quoted about the death of the young children that would be killed by Herod. It was no surprise to Jehovah that Herod would cause the death of many children in an attempt to kill Jesus. Jehovah already knew this and gave a prophecy to show that He was prepared for this event. How would Jehovah provide protection for Jesus?

    Joe: He would send Jesus and his parents into Egypt.

    Chris: If Jehovah already knew that his Son would need to go to Egypt just as Jehovah prophecied, what did He prepare to provide financially for his Son in Egypt?

    Joe: I've never thought of that question before. I don't know.

    Chris: Just think, Joe. The wise men brought very expensive gifts to the young child Jesus. These gifts were worth enough to finance the stay in Egypt of God's Son. These men brought Jehovah's financial provision for Jesus and not until after the magi left were Jesus' parents instructed to flee to Egypt. Now Joe, whose star do you think the star of Bethlehem really was?

    Go to Part Three: Why don't Jehovah's Witnesses celebrate Christmas?

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  • TheListener
    TheListener

    From my reading of the bible I don't see that the star moved at all until after the magi saw Herod.

    It could logically be argued that they went to Jerusalem because that is where a newborn king would be located. Plus the Persians and Romans weren't exactly best friends and if the delegation was large then stopping in Jerusalem to ensure that the local leader knew of their presence in Judea would have been wise.

    It all seems so positive when I read the scriptures themselves. Not negative and evil.

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    here is what I think about the star of Bethlehem in a nutshelf. I am convinced that it was not from a divine source. I believe that it was from an evil source. Here is why: Basically. I agree with the wts theology on this. Astrology or looking into the stars for enlightment does not follow the bible pattern for how God communicates with people. Further, such practice is against Bible teaching. Hence, such interaction with that star could not be from God.

    What is most convincing to me is that the star did not lead the magi to Jesus but to Herod, alerting him and causing the death of innocent people, the slain babies and the weeping mothers.
    If the star was communication from heaven it would have brought blessings and not trouble

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Fisherman,

    Please see http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/125612/2223432/post.ashx#2223432

    And remember Matthew's (paradoxically Jewish anti-Judaic) leitmotiv: what the Jews missed the Gentiles got.

  • Fisherman
    Fisherman

    Nark. I read your(link) post. Thanks.

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