I Need Some Help!

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    tijkmo

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    In restoring one’s relationship with Jehovah, prayer is a must. Of course, no one should "make request" concerning blatant sin that is clearly being practiced unrepentantly by any individual once associated with the Christian congregation. (1 John 5:16, 17; Jeremiah 7:16-20; Hebrews 10:26, 27) Yet, parents can ask Jehovah to give them wisdom to deal with the situation. (James 1:5) If a disfellowshipped youth gives evidence of repentance but does not have "freeness of speech toward God," the parents might pray that if God finds a basis for pardoning the child’s error, that His will be done. (1 John 3:21) Hearing these prayers should help the youth to see Jehovah as a merciful God.—Exodus 34:6, 7; James 5:16.
  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear Sunspot..

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    In restoring one’s relationship with Jehovah, prayer is a must. Of course, no one should "make request" concerning blatant sin that is clearly being practiced unrepentantly by any individual once associated with the Christian congregation. (1 John 5:16, 17; Jeremiah 7:16-20; Hebrews 10:26, 27) Yet, parents can ask Jehovah to give them wisdom to deal with the situation. (James 1:5) If a disfellowshipped youth gives evidence of repentance but does not have "freeness of speech toward God," the parents might pray that if God finds a basis for pardoning the child’s error, that His will be done. (1 John 3:21) Hearing these prayers should help the youth to see Jehovah as a merciful God.—Exodus 34:6, 7; James 5:16.

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    God’sdirectionrecordedatJeremiah7:16meanthatChristianswouldnotprayaboutsomeonewhohasbeenexpelledfromtheChristiancongregationbecauseheisanunrepentantsinner?

    After pronouncing his judgment against unfaithful Judah, Jehovah said to Jeremiah: "As for you, do not pray in behalf of this people, neither raise in their behalf an entreating cry or a prayer nor beseech me, for I shall not be listening to you."—Jeremiah 7:16.

    Why did Jehovah forbid Jeremiah to pray for the Israelites? Clearly, it was because of their flagrant transgressions of his Law. Openly and shamelessly, they were "stealing, murdering and committing adultery and swearing falsely and making sacrificial smoke to Baal and walking after other gods." Consequently, Jehovah told the faithless Jews: "I will throw you out from before my face, just as I threw out all your brothers, the whole offspring of Ephraim." Certainly, it would be out of place for Jeremiah, or anyone else, to pray for Jehovah to reverse His judgment.—Jeremiah 7:9, 15.

    In line with this, the apostle John wrote about proper prayer to God. First, he assured Christians: "No matter what it is that we ask according to his will, he hears us." (1 John 5:14) Then, regarding praying in behalf of others, John continued: "If anyone catches sight of his brother sinning a sin that does not incur death, he will ask, and he will give life to him, yes, to those not sinning so as to incur death. There is a sin that does incur death. It is concerning that sin that I do not tell him to make request." (1 John 5:16) Jesus also spoke of sin that "will not be forgiven," that is, sin against the holy spirit.—Matthew 12:31, 32.

    Does this mean that all who are expelled from the Christian congregation for sinning unrepentantly have committed sins that "incur death" and thus should not be prayed about? This would not necessarily be the case because in some instances such transgressions are not sins that incur death. In fact, it is difficult to tell if they are. A typical example is King Manasseh of Judah. He erected altars to false gods, offered up his own sons in sacrifice, practiced spiritism, and put a carved image in Jehovah’s temple. In fact, the Bible says that Manasseh and the people did "what was bad more than the nations whom Jehovah had annihilated from before the sons of Israel." For all of this, Jehovah punished Manasseh by sending him as captive in fetters to Babylon.—2 Kings 21:1-9; 2 Chronicles 33:1-11.

    Were Manasseh’s sins, gross as they were, the kind that incur death? Apparently not, for the account goes on to say about him: "As soon as it caused him distress, he softened the face of Jehovah his God and kept humbling himself greatly because of the God of his forefathers. And he kept praying to Him, so that He let himself be entreated by him and He heard his request for favor and restored him to Jerusalem to his kingship; and Manasseh came to know that Jehovah is the true God."—2 Chronicles 33:12, 13.

    Thus, we should not jump to the conclusion that a person must be guilty of sin that incurs death solely because he is expelled from the congregation. It may take time for the true heart condition of the individual to be revealed. In fact, it is often stated that one of the purposes of disfellowshipping is to cause the sinner to wake up and hopefully to repent and turn around.

    Since the person is no longer in the congregation, any change in heart and attitude may be observed first by those close to him, such as a marriage mate or family members. Those observing such changes may conclude that the transgressor did not commit a sin that incurs death. They may be moved to pray that he may draw strength from God’s inspired Word and that Jehovah will act toward the sinner in harmony with His will.—Psalm 44:21; Ecclesiastes 12:14.

    While some may be in a position to observe sufficient evidence to believe that the sinner has repented, this may not be the case with the congregation in general. They would be puzzled, troubled, even stumbled if they were to hear someone praying publicly about the erring one. For this reason, those who feel moved to pray about the sinner should do so only in private, leaving any further development in the matter in the hands of the responsible elders in the congregation.

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    Reproduced from IllustriertePracht-Bibel/HeiligeSchriftdesAltenundNeuenTestaments, nach der deutschen Uebersetzung D. Martin Luther’s

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    YOU GUYS ARE THE GREATEST!!!!!

    Thanks SO MUCH for your help! I really appreciate the effort!

    hugs to all of you.....

    Annie

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Interesting ! - is the WTS getting soft on us, lads and lassies? Now they may actually pray for those who need help, but of course in private only. Wouldn't want to have a public prayer asking God to help someone whom we have judged now would we?

    Jeff

  • Atlantis
  • Atlantis
    Atlantis

    Watchtower-1979-October-15th-p.31 http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?126fs2682192.jpg Cheers! Atlantis-

  • becca1
    becca1

    What's really ridiculous is the fact that as witnesses we would take the word of the WT as to whom to pray for! Never mind sharing our thoughts and feelings freely with God, follow the RULES, that's what matters!

  • MsMcDucket
    MsMcDucket

    I think some witness prayed for me to obtain "accurate knowledge". I sure do thank them! I hope that I can return them the favor!

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Is it true that JW's believe that Jehovah does not hear the prayers of disfellowshipped ones?

  • Atlantis
    Atlantis

    jgnat:

    Disfellowshipped ones are considered as "wicked ones" and "sinners" by the Watchtower Society. They are not doing Jehovah's "will", therefore the prayers of the disfellowshipped are not heard! They are not considered as God-fearing or "joining" themselves to Jehovah. Disfellowshipped ones are judged as "doing bad things"! (According to the Borganization) Watchtower-1964-September-15th-pp.555-556 WHO MAY HAVE THEIR PRAYERS ANSWERED? 10 Jehovah God is the great “Hearer of prayer” and he arranges to ‘cover the transgressions’ of those whom he chooses and causes to approach. (Ps. 65:2-4) He pays attention and answers prayers correctly offered to him. (Ps. 66:19; 102:17; 1 Ki. 18:37; 2 Chron. 33:13; Jer. 29:12, 13; Dan. 9:17, 18; Luke 11:9, 10; 1 John 5:14, 15) Jehovah does not hear the wicked ones, “but the prayer of the righteous ones he hears.” (Prov. 15:8, 29) Jehovah’s ‘ears are toward the righteous ones’ cry for help.’ (Ps. 34:15; 145:18, 19; Isa. 58:8, 9) “We know that God does not listen tosinners, but if anyone is God-fearing and does his will, he listens to this one.” (John 9:31) Before those of the nations could have Jehovah’s attention they must commence to turn from their past evil way, become God-fearing and seek Jehovah’s peace. Then Jehovah begins to listen to such whose hearts are inclining toward dedication or who are ‘joining themselves to Jehovah.’ The apostle Peter confirmed this when he wrote: “For the eyes of Jehovah are upon the righteous ones, and his ears are toward their supplication; but the face of Jehovah is against those doing bad things.”—1 Pet. 3:12. Scans http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?126fs2724365.jpg http://m1.freeshare.us/view/?126fs2724613.jpg Cheers! Atlantis-

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