A QUESTION FOR THE CHRISTIANS ON THIS BOARD

by vitty 38 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Apostate Kate
    Apostate Kate

    I don't spend my time wondering when Jesus is coming back, it doesn't matter to me.

    What does matter is the relationship I have with Him right now, today.

    2 Corinthians 5:6-8 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

    His Spirit dwells inside me today, guides me, comforts me, corrects me. When my body dies, I'll see Him. The veil of the physical world will be lifted.

  • bernadette
    bernadette

    Do you know how many faithful kind-hearted and intelligent people have spent their lives in anticipation of such events which did NOT happen? They could have had a more meaninful, full and rich existence, but, they squandered it on false opinion and exaggerated sales pitches.

    Worship God in your mind where he actually lives. Worship God in your heart where he can be felt. But, don't waste your actual moments of existence fretting over an arrival that has been "any minute now" for TWO THOUSAND YEARS!!

    Terry

    For once i agree with you 100%

    bernadette

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    LT, you are, if you don't mind my saying so, a lovely enigma. You manage to avoid the excesses of religious zeal and dogmatism while posting articulately and with compassion about your christian beliefs . . . but.

    You do actually believe that Jesus Christ has an importance beyond that of a good role model. When others, like myself, have pointed out the stupidity of certain sections of the bible you have intelligently refused to defend the indefensible and yet it is that very book that forms the foundation of your faith for without the bible what would you know of christ?

    We haven't locked horns for a while and I don't particularly want to right now, I'm feeling far too nice and festive!

    Merry Christmas Ross!

  • Green Chille
    Green Chille

    If one thinks about the world in general, then we see that it is not the happy place we all want it to be. Most all of us want that little paradise in our own image. Where can we look? Only in the Holy book, the oldest book that has been read by so many through-out 4000 years of history and before that, by word of mouth.

    The waiting has been to long in coming so hope is lost among the faithful and I am beginning to believe of a God who loves to torture his subjects.

  • RR
    RR
    What is the second comming of Christ, I mean what will happen...............armageddon?????????? destruction for anyone who isnt a Christian ? He he going restore paradise on earth ???????

    Unfortunately the Christian view is as diverse as Christianity.

    Most born again Christians believe pretty much as Tim LaHaye describes in his "Left Behind" series. True Christians are raptured to heaven, the rest of the world must fend for themselves during the seven year tribulation which eventually leads to armageddon, a literal battle between good and evil, the personal antichrist and the son of God, Jesus.

    Catholics and other orthodox believe that when you die, if Christian, you go to heaven if sinful you go to hell and burn forever and ever.

    In either case, the earth is destroyed by fire.

    I personally beleive that paradise earth was God's original plan for man, to live forever, and that plan has not changed, ust a minor setback due to sin.

    Armageddon is real, but not the death and destruction as many believed. It is a battle against the rulers of this world, a takeover, where Jesus will rule in the midst of his enemies, unknown to them and take control of earth's affairs and institute his Kingdom, and during that reign, EVERYONE, every man, woman and child who ever lived will have the opportunity to learn of Jehovah. Those who eventually reject God's grace will be destroyed, the rest will grow to perfect and live forever.

    RR

  • Santisimo
    Santisimo

    The Messiah will appear but it's not going to be Jesus. He will be the only one with a solution for the lasting peace between Christians, Muslims and Jews. Will there be a war before he arrives? Most likely. A nuclear war? Most likely. Will millions die? Hopefully not.

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    Most born again Christians believe pretty much as Tim LaHaye describes in his "Left Behind" series. True Christians are raptured to heaven, the rest of the world must fend for themselves during the seven year tribulation which eventually leads to armageddon, a literal battle between good and evil, the personal antichrist and the son of God, Jesus.

    Where do you come up with this?

    Among Christians who believe in the rapture (which is by no means all Christians, or even all "born again" Christians) there are there distinct views of when the rapture will take place and what happens afterwards. LaHaye's books are fiction, and based on an extreme version of one point of view. A bit like reading Tom Clancy and claiming to know what military people think the future holds.

  • RR
    RR

    Did I say ALL Christians? I said most born again Christians or better yet evangelicals. I did preface my comment that there were diverse views out there!

    RR

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    RR: Sorry if I misunderstood your comment. I just wanted to point out that LeHaye's ideas about the rapture are only one of many.

  • moggy lover
    moggy lover

    The first thing to say is that, unlike the followers of the WT movement, Christians are never told to be "on the watch" with regard to the "end of the world". Rather the Bible exhorts believers down through the ages to be on the watch for a Person. Their Lord. Nowhere is there any reference to looking out with a view to "surviving the end into a paradise earth"

    Interestingly the absolute deceit of the false hope of the WT followers is exposed in a WT article such as that found in the Jan 1 2003 magazine, pg 18. First they quote Matt 24:44, and then they write: "Jesus said that the end of this system will come at an hour that we do not think it to be which is why we need to stay awake" However, if you actually read the Bible quote you will see that what Jesus said was that it was The Son of Man whose coming was to be the thing that was at an hour that no one expects.The title of the article was "Keep on the Watch"! Complete with dramatic exclamation mark. I believe that just as Jesus said, He will catch everyone unawares, and that includes the WTS. They will be endlessly prattling on about being "loyal to the GB", they will be going d-t-d with their hackneyed phrases, the elders will be ogling little girls and boys, Teddy and his GB members will be toting up their millions, dreaming of a luxurious cruises down some faraway place and ....wham!

    The second thing is to say that, again unlike the WTS, whose followers live under a repressive dictatorial system where conformity to the expressed will of the leadership is encumbent on believers, there is no unanimity of opinion among the freely expressed ideas of Christianson this subject. This is because there is no chapter in the NT called "The Second Coming- What and how and when it is" The various clues are scattered around throughout the various books of the Bible, and how you string these clues together is a matter of interpretation. The churlish thing would be to abrogate your own personal view as that of the Bible.

    There are several things that evidently will occur, sometimes simultaneously. The 70th week prophecy of Daniel 7:8-26, the rule of Daniels final beast of Dan 7:25, the attack of Gog of Magog who may, or may not be the current state of Russia [Ex 38] etc Suffice it to say that these can be summarized as 1 The Great Tribulation [which may last 3 and a half years, or 7 yrs] 2 The Rapture 3 The Millennium. Some feel that the Rapture will come first [these are called the Pre-Millennialists, and form the largest group within "Born again" Christian circles.] Some feel it will come at the middle of the GT, these are called "Mid Tribulationists'' and there are other, more complicated, views.

    As far as I am concerned I am sure it will all pan out in the end thats why I am a "pan Millenialist"

    Much has been made by sceptics of a vengeful God who will somehow enjoy destroying 99.99999 % of the world's population at this time. Such arrant nonsense betrays an ignorance of the God whom Christians, like me worship. First, no one and I mean no one, who is innocent will die. Destruction at the GT is not predicated simply on ones religious affiliation. It is based on ones satanic inclinations, sexual, monetary, willful, repressive, hateful. There will be no place for the selfish, the domineering, and the arrogant.

    When Christ comes again, there will be a cleansing, resulting in millions and even hundreds of millions, finally being liberated and who will indeed go into a cleansed earth. These are the "tribulation survivors" These will not be Christians, because they will be with their Lord, wherever He is. No one, living or dead will endure loss.

    The ignorant questions of the WTS like: if all Christians go to heaven, who will they reign over, is unworthy of people who consider themselves "students" of the Bible. [Did someone say Taliban? which means "student"?] It is not "who" but "what" Christians will rule over. There is an entire universe to oversee, including billions of uncounted billions of angels. So there will be plenty of work for all. Even you, if you want it.

    Cheers

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