Who is Jesus

by soulfinder 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  soulfinder

  Actually, if you read the law, there are laws that protect the slaves. Here are some examples.

  Exodus 21

  The Law Concerning Servants

  1 “Now these are the judgments which you shall set before them: 2 If you buy a Hebrew servant, he shall serve six years; and in the seventh he shall go out free and pay nothing. 3 If he comes in by himself, he shall go out by himself; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master has given him a wife, and she has borne him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out by himself. 5 But if the servant plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ 6 then his master shall bring him to the judges. He shall also bring him to the door, or to the doorpost, and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him forever.
  7 “And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8 If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. 9 And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. 10 If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights. 11 And if he does not do these three for her, then she shall go out free, without paying money.

  So you can see by this, that Jehova protected the slaves, and their rights, so clearly you are mistaken.

  Jesus Himself did preach the fulfillment of the law, but the things which you accuse Him of are not true.

  As for myself, I do not appreciate being called a liar, and I'm sorry to have been called one. I'm sorry frankie, I came here looking for fellowship, and perhaps to learn and to teach, but you have assaulted my character and made a poor impression on me. Hopefully we can resolve this and be friends.

  As for my own background, I am just a follower of the Lord, struggling with looking for a job. I currently live in Texas. I am happily married. I love to discuss the bible, and the things of our God in hopes of further enlightenment, both of myself and the participating parties.

  Abr, thank you for your warm welcome, I'm sure that some of us have been rejected on more than a few occasions, and hopefully those who have will consider whether or not they do the same things to others.

  Jehova bless you all in the name of His Son, our Lord and King through whom He created all things and to whom He is bringing all things into subjection; namely Jesus Christ.
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  Morocco

  By the way, welcome to the board soulfinder. I don’t know if part of this last post was directed at my comments or not, but I will reply anyways. First I want to say that it’s pretty easy to cause injury when debating religion as it is an emotionally charged topic, so I apologize in advance for myself. I can come across rude sometimes but I surely don’t mean it on a personal level.
  
  Your post attempts to justify the abuse of human rights that the Old Testament allows, but look closely at the protective law portion you quoted. It explicitly states that while a person is a slave and they fall in love, the only way to keep that mate is if they remain a slave forever. They can not take that wife/husband/lover or any offspring thereof into freedom with them. Are the Laws of Jehovah really, honestly, this two-faced? How cruel. You must remain in slavery, for the rest of your life, to keep these people you love. Talk about a carrot on a stick. Would God really dangle such an intimate and hurtful thing in front of your face until you die?
  
  If you honestly look at the psychology behind it you will see that this is a very powerful leverage device that can be used to bypass other portions of the law that says you must set slaves free after so many years (seven I believe). It hurts a nation, economically, to loose slaves in those times. Slaves made up an enormous part of the kingdom’s life and strength. A king would always be in the market for new slaves because at intervals he loses them. How would a king gain slaves for life? Well, a king might use this portion of the law; he might use the loved ones, the children, the husbands and wives as legal leverage to build a permanent slave base. Sure, the slave consented, he knew the rules so it’s okay right? I disagree, and I hope that any moral person would too. This very example shows the underhanded, abusive, and evasive aspects found in the bible. And again, Jesus was a teacher of the Law, and supposedly the ultimate fulfillment of it, which means that he had no qualms with the contents. I can’t accept that God would provide laws regulating slavery (laws that are devious at that) only to later say that all men are equal and free in Christ – there is no slave, no gentile or Jew, no man or woman. Does God teach equality, or does he teach inequality?
  
  Even if this thread is dead I’ve enjoyed it and I welcome more debate.
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  crazyblondeb

  I must say, welcome to the board.

  However, my own personal opinion, about who Jesus is, rates him up there with prince charming, snow white, and cinderella!!

  cbb