Homeopathy popular in Jehovah's Witnesses ? (page 3)

MadTiger

Homeopathy, properly practiced, is not "quackery."

Having not been to a doctor in 15 years, and being healthier than the
poster making the above comment, I am personally offended.

Actually, I consider myself more of a naturopath, because all homeopathic
cures don't make sense to me, and I do NOTHING to myself, or recommend it
to others, that I don't understand the rationale for.

DrMike

I hate it when the system eats a briliant 4 paragraph reply

wednesday

I hope he can get to a dermatologist . He should have it biopised and removed. The good news is if it is a fatty tumor, they seldom cause problems, unitl they get so large they press on a nerve etc. I had to have one removed due to size. But you do not know for sure it is a fatty tumor unless it is seen by a doc. And if it is very large, it may just need to be removed due to size.

I have peaked into the land of alternate medicine, and find some of it helpful, but always stay in close contact with my MD.

Once I found that green apple spray really helped my migranes. It is not a cure, and it won't stop a real bad one, but if I can catch it early, green apple works very nicely. (this is not technically homepathy, however.) otherwise, I use imitrex nasal spray.

zensim

Dr Mike maybe that's the mysterious universe trying to tell you something?

Ha ha, I am only joking - just taking the piss out of myself I know the feeling, have had the same thing happen before. Of course - only briliant in my mind ...

DrMike

Yeah... but this was brilliant ( unusual ) prose for me. I started to think they may let me start writing the articals instead of just doing the mathematics in the sidebars. ( you know... the parts everyone stops reading as soon as there are more than 3 terms involved ) :)

But basically, what I was getting at was:

1. Homeopathy and vacines have NOTHING in common. ( lots of great examples eaten by the system )

2. Unknowns effect that become science are measurable, Like pre-Maxwell electro-magmentism.

3. If I post a video of chemistry, phyics and math professors calmly discussing the scientific points of ths, people will go to sleep. Including me. Trust me, I know these guys.

A Paduan

Yes, the witnesses get it wrong with their teachings, but a balanced person would also recognise that their limitations were often as limited as the consciousness of the world around them.

"their limitations" are an issue of attitude which hardly displays the consciousness of the world around them - rather, one of a cult:

Their so-called "science" grew out of Egyptian black magic and has not lost its demonological character....
"It's editor [Morris Fishbein] is of the type of Jew that crucified Jesus Christ."
"Hence the practice of vaccination is a crime, an outrage and a delusion."
"Enfeebled constitutions, inherited from fashionable mothers.."
"Aspirin–The Menace..."

zensim

Don't take what I said as a carte blanche statement - I don't believe stupidity or ignorance makes a cult, rather the way they handle their authority. I am ready to forgive ignorance and even if it was incredibly stupid even for those times (and it wasn't really, medical knowledge was a lot more limited then and on top of that you have fairly uneducated, read 'sometimes stupid', very limited brothers making decisions from the scripture on subjects they should have admitted they knew nothing about and then saying it was the 'word of god' - that's the cultish part).

All I am saying is that all of us, every one of us, is only able to make decisions limited to our knowledge and experience at the time. And in the end, if all of us were to endlessly examine every single fact on any one single issue, we would all be inert. It is impossible for us to know everything. We should however have a good attempt at being open minded so, should new information be presented that is reasonable, we will look at it and be prepared to be wrong. At least have a go at looking at both sides of any situation. If you still favour your original position that's ok, but hopefully you won't be so dismissive of those who take the polar position.

I am so relaxed about being mistaken because my ego is not caught up in being right - and I actively encourage my children that it is ok to make mistakes and mess up - as long as they aren't hurting another human being.

I am new here, so for instance I understand that others' interpretation of my comments are very limited to what they know about me. I can't help it that they intepret me incorrectly, I just recognise that is a limitation - but that doesn't mean anyone who gets me 'wrong' (by what I know I mean) is stupid, wrong or limited in a retarded way

(ha ha ... sorry, just got sidetracked with a Borat moment ... I'm back now)

I work in the field of psychological and emotional health - you know, one of those people that the Society strongly cautioned not to go to? And there is still lots of people out there WHO ARE NOT WITNESSES that think it is quackery. I just don't like it when people lump everything on the witnesses when in fact a lot of it is human nature.

I have people who come to see me who are on pharmaceutical drugs. Personally, I wouldn't touch those types of drugs but I don't go into a rant about conspiracy theories on drug companies (and no, that's not what I believe, so don't go there). I personally wouldn't use them because I have so many tools and resources at my disposal that I can easily go the more natural route. I don't judge someone however for where they are at at that point in time, where they make decisions limited to their knowledge, experience and emotions. And quite frankly, if it gets them to the healthy place they want to be, what does it matter? (again, I could get sidetracked by that generalisation, but I have already written too much)

I think dismissing homeopathy or [.... insert any other modality you like] as quackery is offensive and hurtful to the thousands of people who attain genuine relief or even cure from this practice. Science can prove the placebo effect works, but they can't prove why. Until anyone can scientifically prove why it genuinely works for some people, then you can't unequivocally use science to prove why it doesn't work for other people. Just because science has now demoted Pluto from planetary status doesn't mean the huge rock in our solar system doesn't exist!

Mary

My son who was raised as a JW has a large ( adult male palm size ) fatty growth on his back. His JW mother is treating him with homeopathy, as is a so called doctor. I have tried repeatedly to get him to have a biopsy done . . .as of this date no luck.

Although I believe that alternative medicine can be of benefit for various ailments, this isn't one of them. It needs to be biopsied to see if it's benign or if it's a malignancy. I doubt it is but it' better to be safe than sorry. If I were you, I'd take your son to a Specialist and have it done.

There are plenty of alternative medicines that have been proven to be beneficial and have been used for centuries by man for various ailments, but they have their place. After decades of being hailed as "quackery", Chinese medicine has just become an approved form of treatment here in Canada and will be regulated by the government.

ackack

Mary, unfortunately, regulation does not equal efficacy. Insanely, the EU just expanded their qualifications for "medicine" to include things that have prior claims of working, but no real proven efficacy. The nonsense duo of echinacea and ginkgo biloba are regulated by the FDA, despite their being useless.

ackack

looking_glass

I believe in alternative medicine. My JW mother is the biggest hypochondriac there is and she went to a regular doctor for a slight cough or sneeze, so I don't think homeopathic medicine it is a solely JW belief. In the States we have a hard time with it though, because alternative medicine is kind of frowned upon by medical doctors. I would think that if homeopathic methods are not working that you should go the next route.

As for the other posters who have taken a poke at the homeopathic approach. Just remember, it is the "theory" of medicine and there are very few 100% certainties even in western medicine. Why, because as we all know that the year a medical text book or manual is printed, it becomes outdated because new information becomes available every day. What was practiced 10 years ago in certain areas of medicine would be laughed at by today's doctors.

In the end, I would say, schedule an appt w/ a doc. Take a day off of work and get your son in to see a GP who may refer you out to a specialist. Considering no one on this thread has performed a physical exam of your son, it would be premature to suggest a particular doc. Thus, your family practitioner would be the first step and then go from there.

Good luck to you.

Homeopathy popular in Jehovah's Witnesses ?

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