Do you sense the need to defeat or destroy the Watchtower lessening? I do.

by nicolaou 38 Replies latest jw friends

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  Fleshybirdfodder

  I never harbour any fantasies about the Society crumbling, nor do I have the ambition to take down what I now realize is just a tiny, high control religious group. But I know that it has scarred me, though in a way that pales in comparison to many that post on this board. I know I do need the support of people who have gone through similar things. The duty I feel is to post on this board as openly and honestly as I can, and perhaps if I do so, someone will be helped just as I was when I joined to feel not so guilty, alone and damned as so many of us have. I don't think we can ever destroy our demons, just learn to ignore them, and when they do pop their ugly little heads in our psyche from time to time, be brave with others and laugh at them for what they are.

  FBF
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  Gregor

  Could someone explain exactly how the '1995 generation' change amounted to a 'retraction' of the 1914 doctrine?
  
  Yadda, As I said, it was a personal triumph. They 'blinked'. The generation of 1914 was not to pass away before Armageddon. Period. They played with the word 'generation' until they almost got down to a fetus that was conceived on 12/31/14 at 11:59 pm. They painted themselves into a corner and finally in '95 they got up and walked across the wet paint and stared everyone in the eye like nothing had happened. I know what happened, I had known for years that it would get to that point and when it did I saw it then and still see it as a ignominious defeat.
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  AK - Jeff

  maybe it's that the organisation I looked up to for so long now seems small, petty and trivial and frankly I just don't want to waste my time and energy on it.

  This would be more the reason than any other for me. I still feel the need - but my forgiveness is growing and my interest in small minded men and thier godlike thoughts of themselves are shrinking now.

  Jeff
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  esw1966

  maybe it's that the organisation I looked up to for so long now seems small, petty and trivial and frankly I just don't want to waste my time and energy on it.

  I have come to realize how absurd jw's are. I have come to realize how messed up they are.

  I at one time really had a desire to try to help those at the hall. I couldn't BELIEVE how fooled I was to believe jw's were SO right! I believe many of them are just as fooled and I WISH I could help them.

  I don't feel that you can help someone who is so diligent about being blinded to reality. So I am slowly waning myself of trying to help others trapped by the society, since they are now CHOOSING to BE blinded.

  As far as the society, I would LOVE to see them crumble. I feel it is Satanic in nature. But that is beyond my personal abilities. If I had the opportunity - I WOULD. But I don't see it as a reality and I let the blind continue leading the blind as I warn others around me of their bad effects on people and that their hearts are more devout for the society than their God.

  I think it CAN be a waste of time. I feel it is more important to be involved in building UP than tearing DOWN. You get farther by showing love than hate. Hate just gives them a reason to believe what they do. When you show love it gives YOU the HIGHER ground and the jw's always take the LOW ground. It is the easiest way to beat them!

  Just do the right thing and they will always take the poor route. Then they are left with the dilemna about why YOUR conduct was more Godly and theirs was more WORLDLY! I LOVE that!!! It adds weight to our claim of their errors.
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  sosad

  esw 1966 - very well stated!!!!!

  I was about 12 (newly baptised) out in service when an elder in my car group (turned around- never would a young sister have sat in the front with a MAN) and asked me what if the truth wasn't the truth- what if the end never came and it was suddenly more than a generation etc. I had my good little witness cap on (and was freshly minted from the baptism questions) and thought of course it was a trick question - my reply was that it would never happen. that was that (ahh- to have the blind faith of a 12 year old!) anyway, HE replied that even if the end didn't come at all, the jw life was still the best life to live etc etc- the conversation ended when the rest of the group returned to the car and I never brought it up to my parents. It was just so wierd...

  but this guy is still a jw has none of the financial difficulties of the 'real" witnesses like my parents....how many are there that know and don't care, or just choose not to know.... we are all personally responsible

  somehow, these witnesses know just how to "do" it- his son was never DFed, wasn't even baptised until he was an adult, had all the toys and more, was never compelled to answer, much less go in service, was welcome to him dads playboy stash (or was it the dad welcome to his sons? I never did get that one straight...

  I also love the quote- the organization is rot...
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  free2beme

  I already defeated them when I left. Any other battle, is up to the individual.
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  searching4truth

  they are slowly killing themselves on their own
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  Twitch

  So do I

  When I first researched the org and began reading xjw sites (which wasn't that long ago) i felt a need like that. I saw one possible future where these sites were the downfall of the org and I wanted a piece. I wanted revenge in a way, something to make up for the pain it caused in my life and also to free the minds of those still caught in it's bondage. I felt somehow the destruction of the org would heal me. Understandable i suppose.

  The thing is, i left 20 years ago and never looked back. I made my world on my own but that world was always a thorn in my side. When i finally hit the "wall" in my life a few years ago, I knew i had to go back and find out about the org and seek out others like me. I found release and healing in these sites. To finally come to terms with that past and make my peace with it in a way just kinda happened along the way. Not that I am complacent about the org now but I don't feel a need to fuel my anger anymore. I carried that weight for so long and though anger is a motivator, it's not a healthy one.

  I'm glad that it's over now. Life is too short to bear a grudge.
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  Gregor

  Life is too short to bear a grudge.

  That's one way of looking at it...just want to move on and not look back. Cool.

  But others may feel kind of like a jew that managed to escape the boxcar before it got to the camp. It's difficult for them to just move on when you know what is happening to others. They feel compelled to try and do something. That's cool too.
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  Twitch

  It's difficult for them to just move on when you know what is happening to others. They feel compelled to try and do something. That's cool too.

  Good point. I admire those that do. Not that I wouldn't try to help someone with leaving or advise someone who is considering joining but that I don't harbour resentment enough to destroy them. If i did, why stop at the org? Can't fix the world, but maybe my own corner of it,....