Is it possible to have a intellegent conversation with a JW? (page 3)

blondie

Actually, there isn't a DB or IRL conversation, that couldn't deterioriate into name-calling, etc., whether it be JWs, ex-dubs, or non-JWs.

Blondie

Minister Amos-"What was your opinion during the study on the 9/2005 WT that discussed how terrible it is that the Mennonites practice shunning or did you miss that one? Just curious to know if you were "in" then and if you even noticed the irony/hypocrisy. I think you might be surprised how those little comments just get overlooked when a person is in full-on cult mode." Nope- missed it! "Shunning" in ANY church is proper- ONLY if the person in question pretends to be a Christian- and continues to do wicked things without remorse- and is unwilling to change. Sometimes one is disfellowshipped/shunned without that being the case- and that is wrong! Mad

MidwichCuckoo

Is a person PRETENDING to be a Christian by attending meetings yet at the same time associating with 'Apostates' on a board which is condemmed by the Watchtower Org?

AuldSoul

It is possible. But not for very long. An intelligent JW won't remain a JW for long while having intelligent discussions with non-JWs/former JWs.

—AuldSoul

Mad

Midwich wrote:"Is a person PRETENDING to be a Christian by attending meetings yet at the same time associating with 'Apostates' on a board which is condemmed by the Watchtower Org?"

Mad: Gasp! Are you an APOSTATE! (Running away in panic!)

I'm just pretending to pretend. Are you SINCERE in your pretense?

AuldSoul

Sometimes one is disfellowshipped/shunned without that being the case- and that is wrong!

What if it is policy to disfellowship those who unrepentantly engage in behaviors which are not condemned by the Scriptures? Is such a policy wrong, too?

Respectfully,
AuldSoul

Mad

Auld wrote:"What if it is policy to disfellowship those who unrepentantly engage in behaviors which are not condemned by the Scriptures? Is such a policy wrong, too?"

Mad: Any organization nowadays has to set rules that are not spelled out in scripture/ business ethics- simply because of lawsuits, and governmental regulations alone. However, when policy goes AGAINST what the principles of the Bible are- yes!

AuldSoul

Disfellowshipping someone based on their unrepentant association with a disfellowshipped/disassociated person is unscriptural. Since there is no Scriptural punishment attached to any injunction against associating with anyone, there is no basis for such disfellowshippings.

Disfellowshipping someone for advocating a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is also baseless in Scripture.

However, it is the policy of the Pay Attention to the Flock book to consider either one of these as acts of apostasy deserving of disfellowshipping.

There are many more. That organization is unchristian. It is Pharisaical, though.

Insight On the Scriptures Volume 1, p. 787, Expelling

Finally, there was sham·mat·ta´, an entire cutting off from the congregation. Some believe the last two forms of excommunication were undistinguishable from each other.

One who was cast out as wicked, cut off entirely, would be considered worthy of death, though the Jews might not have the authority to execute such a one. Nevertheless, the form of cutting off they did employ was a very powerful weapon in the Jewish community. Jesus foretold that his followers would be expelled from the synagogues. (Joh 16:2) Fear of being expelled, or “unchurched,” kept some of the Jews, even the rulers, from confessing Jesus. (Joh 9:22, ftn; 12:42) An example of such action by the synagogue was the case of the healed blind man who spoke favorably of Jesus.—Joh 9:34.

It has the same effect in congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses. Shammatta is disfellowshipping.

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