Faith in angelic help waning? WT March 1 and March 15, 2007

by truthseeker 26 Replies latest jw friends

  • IsaacJS2
    IsaacJS2

    I'm an atheist and skeptic, so I'm more inclined to shake my head at these stories than some. I remember one of the brothers I studied with telling me about an experience he had in field service I thought I'd share.

    He said that he went to someone's door, and the guy inside brought his dog to the door with him. Before the Brother could start his presentation, the householder turned to his dog and said:

    "Jehovah! Sick'em, boy!"

    Then the dog turned on its owner instead.

    Note that the guy had actually named his dog Jehovah.

    This is exactly the sort of story that gets the WT masses going. I have no idea if it was true. I've often suspected that the Elder wasn't as big a believer as he let on, or that he was at least capable of making such a story up. In any case, who knows what really happened.

    There are a couple of articles at Austin Cline's Atheism & Agnosticism web site about events which are statistically impossible, yet happen every day to a few people across the world. I could hunt them down if anyone's curious.

    IsaacJ

  • return visitor
    return visitor

    Why weren't the angels there for me. My faith is on the rocks and all that the angles provided for me is this discussion board.

    RV

  • proplog2
    proplog2

    This is a very bad sign. It shows that they really can't think straight.

    I say we need a special meter that will indicate the degree of interest at each house. That way the preaching work would be really effective. And since God desires all to be saved from destruction shouldn't there be some kind of special guidance to those that are sighing and crying?

  • rassillon
    rassillon

    Rednecks being abducted by aliens Such experiences are far too numerous to be dismissed as coincidence.

    People claiming the Elders and the Society ignored that they were molested Such experiences are far too numerous to be dismissed as coincidence.

    Claims and proof that 607/1914 is positivly wrong Such experiences are far too numerous to be dismissed as coincidence.

    Yeah, they have the reasoning ability of a dildo.

    -r

  • looking_glass
    looking_glass

    I agree w/ return, how about the times when jw people needed some angelic assistance but none was there. This is a load of horse dodo.

    How about the example that is given at the assembles about the chick was encountered a rapist but he moved on to another victim, when questioned why, he said there were two big guys w/ her and of course that meant angels. Well how about the hundreds of thousands of other jw and non-jws that get raped, does that mean that they do not have jah's spirit w/ them at all times.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Actually, I encountered 2 concepts of angels in today's WTS.

    1) Angels helped JWs find the "sheep" by magically directing them to doors.

    What about the accounts of people who had been praying for months and no JWs called on them; does the WTS choose only the accounts that fit their premise?

    2) Angels protected JWs when they were in the ministry but not elsewhere.

    3) Angels protected JWs from physical harm.

    There were examples where "faithful" JWs were killed in the "ministry" and even died/murdered as they traveled to and from conventions/assemblies/meetings.

    Leiolia's quotes show how the WTS has pushed the angel directed sheep finding for years. The following shows why JWs think that angels protect them. Notice though how the WTS talks out of both sides of its mouth.

    *** w64 2/1 pp. 94-96 Questions From Readers ***

    To what extent does Jehovah actually protect his servants on earth today? When one narrowly escapes death in an accident, or is delivered from persecutors, is it right to say that Jehovah preserved one, though other faithful Christians may not have been so delivered?—M. B., United States.

    Jehovah’s hand is not short. He can protect, deliver and sustain those who love him. "Look!" said Isaiah, "The hand of Jehovah has not become too short that it cannot save, nor has his ear become too heavy that it cannot hear." (Isa. 59:1) Just think of what occurred when wicked King Herod jailed Peter nineteen centuries ago. What a thrilling release the apostle experienced! Acts 12:6-11 vividly recounts the event, saying in part: "But, look! Jehovah’s angel stood by, and a light shone in the prison cell. Striking Peter on the side, he roused him, saying: ‘Rise quickly!’ And his chains fell off his hands." The amazed apostle heeded instructions received and followed his angelic visitor. The account continues: "Going through the first sentinel guard and the second they got to the iron gate leading into the city, and this opened to them of its own accord. And after they went out they advanced down one street, and immediately the angel departed from him. And Peter, coming to himself, said: ‘Now I actually know that Jehovah sent his angel forth and delivered me out of Herod’s hand and from all that the people of the Jews were expecting.’" There was no question about it. Jehovah, by means of his angel, had effected Peter’s release from prison.

    What, then, are we to conclude? Surely, that Jehovah can provide deliverance and he can also spare one if that is his will. Thus the words of James 4:15 are noteworthy: "You ought to say: ‘If Jehovah wills, we shall live and also do this or that.’" While Jehovah can certainly provide protection and deliverance, he may permit certain things to occur. For example, while Peter experienced a marvelous deliverance from prison, just a little earlier Herod "did away with James the brother of John by the sword." (Acts 12:2) Well, was James less worthy of deliverance than Peter? The Scriptures do not infer this. Actually, in that case, as in others, matters worked out as Jehovah willed or allowed.

    In view of the foregoing, is it proper to ask Jehovah’s protection over our loved ones now if we and they are Christians? Yes. As Christians we can make all matters in life suitable subjects of prayer. Let us illustrate. Daily we give thanks to Jehovah for the food that is served upon the table, although we know that we have had to work in order to get that food. Nevertheless, in the provision of such food there is an element that man cannot supply. This only Almighty God Jehovah can supply. Fittingly, then, we give thanks to him for providing the food which we have asked him to supply in harmony with the model prayer of Matthew 6:9-13. We acknowledge God’s hand in the provision of the food, above and beyond what we can do to get it. It should be the same with protection.

    We may properly pray to Jehovah regarding protection and related matters. Yet we should not assume that God is obligated to work miracles in our behalf. We should exercise good judgment respecting the preservation of our health, for example, and should take suitable measures to assure our safety. Such is required even though unseen angels minister to God’s servants in our day. (Heb. 1:14; Ps. 34:7) Do not think that they are hovering at our side each moment so as to intervene miraculously if we do something foolish or if we are careless and thus place ourselves in a position wherein we may suffer some accident or disaster.

    As with food provided by God, for which we thank him, so also with protection, there is a point beyond which we cannot go, in spite of all we do to protect ourselves. Therefore, after a journey or after a perilous experience, we can properly give thanks to Jehovah God that he has protected us. Certainly the whole result of survival and salvation is not to be attributed solely to what we ourselves or others do personally to bring about safe results. It may not truly be possible for one person to determine specifically whether another experienced protection from Jehovah on an occasion or not. Yet if an individual personally has reason to believe that his life has been spared or he has experienced protection from God he should humbly thank Jehovah for this in prayer. In fact, it is always good to give God credit. Paul said: "In connection with everything give thanks." Why, we can properly thank Jehovah for our surviving even a night of bodily rest.—1 Thess. 5:18.

    But what if another Christian may not have been delivered during some crisis or may not have escaped death in an accident or at the hands of persecutors? Some are not spared, but that does not prove that they were unfaithful. Think of James, who was put to death by Herod, while Peter was spared and escaped from prison with angelic help. James did not die on account of any unfaithfulness. In fact, by his martyr’s death he proved his integrity. Why, it pleased God to permit his only-begotten Son to suffer an ignominious death. By it Christ proved his integrity and furnished the foremost example of faithfulness unto death.

    Moreover, Jesus declared concerning those who would be his disciples: "If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and continually follow me." (Matt. 16:24) Jesus did not say that God would protect his followers from picking up their torture stake, but he did say: "Whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it." (Matt. 16:25) So, if our fellow Christians die at the hands of their violent persecutors, let us not view this as a case of unfaithfulness on their part or of partiality on Jehovah’s part. Such death in faithfulness assures one of a resurrection and the opportunity to gain everlasting life in the new order of God’s promise.—Rev. 2:10; 2 Pet. 3:13.

    In connection with accidents that may bring death to fellow Christians, remember that "time and unforeseen occurrence" befall all men. (Eccl. 9:11) Since that is so, the death of one of God’s servants is not indicative of that person’s unfaithfulness. Furthermore, Jehovah does not guarantee anyone continued life in this system of things. His reward to faithful integrity-keepers is everlasting life in the new system. (Rom. 6:23) The fulfillment of that promised reward will be realized by the faithful Christian even if some unfortunate accident or disaster results in his death now. Resurrection to life under God’s kingdom will be his lot. (John 5:28, 29) So, regardless of what Jehovah may permit, we see that he is not partial; he rewards the faithful. Indeed, "there is no partiality with God."—Rom. 2:11.

    There is something more to consider. We are living in trying times and during these dark days we as Christians are helped mightily by Jehovah. Why, certainly we have cause for gratitude. It is only by His undeserved kindness that we even know Him and are privileged to do His will. Jehovah blesses our ministry. He hears and answers our prayers. (1 John 5:14, 15) His bounties are great indeed. Think of Jehovah’s many provisions, his blessings and the way in which he aids us in performing our ministry. Yes, God may permit us to be tested, to suffer, or even to die. But, regardless of what Jehovah allows, if we are faithful we have his love and very much for which to be thankful!—Rom. 8:38, 39.

    One thing is certain. As Jehovah’s dedicated servants we are not entirely at the mercy of Satan. Why, if we were, we would not be here today as Jehovah’s witnesses. We are on earth as God’s protected servants, even as Job himself was protected. Jehovah did not permit the Devil to go to the limit in his case. (Job 2:4-7) In fact, with Gog of Magog’s attack coming on in the near future, there would be no survival of the spiritual remnant nor of their hundreds of thousands of companions if it were not for the protection of Jehovah God. Yet in his Word Jehovah has definitely advised that he will protect and preserve his spiritual remnant and their companions clear through the battle of Armageddon. After "the war of the great day of God the Almighty" is over, those of that remnant and their companions will thank Jehovah for this deliverance. (Rev. 16:14, 16) For a fact, in their case the words of Psalm 37:34 will prove true: "Hope in Jehovah and keep his way, and he will exalt you to take possession of the earth. When the wicked ones are cut off, you will see it." That deliverance will be the result of God’s protection and will be a definite vindication of Jehovah’s holy name.

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w00 7/1 p. 18 par. 15 Sowing Seeds of Kingdom Truth ***

    True, it is beyond human ability to determine if and to what extent the angels were directly involved in these experiences.Still,we should never doubt that Jesus and the angels play an active role in the preaching work and that Jehovah can guide matters as he sees fit. These and many similar experiences illustrate the potential for good that our literature may have after it leaves our hands.

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