RAF
I never state anything from anyones point of view ... that's just my way ... It is my opinion
I know it is your opinion. But it is not supported by the facts; you are attributing a belief as a concequence of evolutionary thought that is not supported by evolutionary thought.
Evolutionary biology has actually shown humans are far more alike than our appearances might lead to believe; the difference between two Chinese people is the same on average as the difference between a Chinese person and a French person. We are one of the most genetically similar species; two pengins of a species will have twice the genetic difference than two humans.
Any statement that evolutionary ideas could make someone feel more evolved than another person is either based upon a misunderstanding by the person stating this might occur, or by the person believing they are more evolved than another being an utter idiot who knows nothing about evolution.
I do not think believers and non-believers are unlike (they dont see things on the same perspective but they have their own good and bad ways - that's where they are alike in the important matter).
But you're not everyone - this is not about you or me, you are not under attack. Whilst evolutionary theories do NOT support someone feeling more evolved than another, it is a fact some religious beliefs do result in an equivalent feeling of supperiority on the part of some believers.
And no I have no example of whoever evolutionist killed because of his belief.
And all we need to do to find an example of someone killed by someone because of religious beliefs is turn the TV on. Harsh but fair, sad but true.
You're saying evolutionary theory can lead to unhealthy beliefs when in fact the evidence is that such unhealthy beliefs AND actions come about as a result of some forms of religion.
But to come back on my previous comment I was more talking about the way "some under evoluate" (lol) people think about the fact that some are under evoluate ... remember that I am black ... and that's probably my experience who is talking here ... But I know that the same problem exist with believers.
Some morons will use any lie, or twist any fact to support their nasty hateful beliefs. You don't have to be religious to be hateful to your fellowman. But if they say that evolution supports their beliefs, they are lying. Don't condemn an entire theory for the actions of people who make claims that have nothing to do with that theory. Condemn the racist scum, as I'm sure we both do..
but to me those who kill because of religious belief are not belivers ... (they are their own leader in the matter)
I totally agree. Fundamentalistic religious beliefs are a form of self-idolatry.
But guess What? I just can't adhere to the evolution process from the start ... if you think my statement do not stand because some scientists says this is how it works ... it won't change what I think ... Too much things are not coherent somehow (and I gave you my why = the potential is not reached on billion years to me their is a very intelligent restriction capacity into the process).
As you said yourself evolution do not exclude God ... I'm not against the idea of evolution itself - I just can't believe in the form of evolution scientist are talking from the start ... (that's it) so then it's all about how we feel about it from our own experience.
You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts - which is why I say what I say above. At the end of the day if your opinion is that, fine. Tell me evolutionary theory supports racism, or that the Earth was created 10,000 years ago (not saying you say that, just an example), well, as you may have noticed, I'll have something to say.
My christianity is from heart, to me every personne who reachs the idea that we need to respect each other is a christian by heart - and just the way you are able to defend the position of those who are not believers because they have their right and are not bad because of that) is a christian position (phylosphically talking).
It's not and will never be a religion for me ... it's a phylosophy or lets say a state of mind (means related to our spirit) ... and yeah the light is getting greater with the time and here we are ... religion is bulleshit ... God is everything ... Christ is Respect in every aspect (even the right to laugh, have fun or whatever ... since we don't hurt on purpose or by egoisme) it is that simple to me.
LOL. My fiance says I'm the most Christian athiest she knows. She also thinks I'm allergic to religion. Hmmmm. Humph.
I don't see the point of it. You don't need religion for belief. And I can't get why some people (not you) will deny the evidence that their supposedly god-given eyes and mind can discern and insist a creative myth written by a goatherd is right and science wrong. It really reduces god to a pathetic level, this vapid insistance it was this way or no way. They're effectively saying, "Well god, all the evidence points to the fact that the Universe works in this amasing way that actually allows the residue of solar fusion to become aware it exists, but hell, I can't believe you could do that. No, you had to do it the goatherd way, that's within your abilities, make man out of dust like a potter, that's all I can accept and there is no way you could create a Universe that 'designs' itself".
With theists like that, who needs atheists? LOL
I don't think you're like that, but it's an interesting conversation.
Warlock
Yes Mia, but he still based his genocide on "survival of the fittest".
And? He was wrong. Evolutionary theory does not make it right to kill people. Being a homocidal maniac makes it right to kill people. Two things, different.
It's like people who burnt witches to please god; they were wrong.
Perry
Who are you to judge God so that I should follow your misdirection and judge Him as you tempt me to do? He is infinite in all respects. You are but a vapor.
Who are you to judge the Invisable Pink Unicorn so that I should follow your misdirection and judge Her as you tempt me to do?
Who are you to judge Allah so that I should follow your misdirection and judge Him as you tempt me to do?
Who are you to judge Brahman so that I should follow your misdirection and judge Him as you tempt me to do?
Perry, this is silly. You know we don't all believe in god like you. You know that whilst his existence may be obvious to you, it isn't to 'us', and so far no one has come up with clinching evidence. There's far more evidence from 150 or so years of evolutionary theory than there has been in the last 10,000+ years for god. Despite knowing your argument is utterly irrelevent to 'us', you still make it as though it is of relevence, and make riculous passive-aggresive statements like 'You are but a vapor'. And the Invisable Pink Unicorn thinks you're a very maughty boy too!
And then to avoid answering difficult questions, you bail.
Well done.
