Jourles:
The past does not equal the future. One thing about my interpretation. If its wrong I'll know soon enough.
Revived beast sick of Unipolar Babylon the Great
by proplog2 43 Replies latest jw friends
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*jeremiah*
I agree with the idea that if a pair of events is similar in their descriptive wording and dramatic roles, similar in action, similar in sequence and similar in results, we should probably think of the events as the same event.
....and I agree with that statement. Yet, the scriptures you list for the King of the North, Daniel 11:36-39, never actually mentions the King of the North. Please tell me how you are attributing these scriptures to the king of the north.
Little Horn King of North Wild Beast Dan 8:25 "Against the Prince of princes he will stand up" Dan 11:36 "Against the God of Gods he will speak marvelous things." Rev. 13:6 "And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name and his residence" Dan 8:24 "And in a wonderful way he will cause ruin, and he will certainly prove successful and do effectively. And he will certainly bring mighty ones to ruin." Dan 11:39 "And he will act effectively against the most fortified strongholds" Rev 13:4 "Who is like the wild beast and who can do battle with it." Dan 8:11 "and from him the CONSTANT FEATURE was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down...and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success." Dan 11:36 "and he will certainly prove successful until the DENUNCIATION will have come to a finish." Rev 13:7 "And there was granted it to wage war with the holy ones... And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it." As far as the word "Antichrist" is concerned,...in scripture this evil "king" is called the son of perdition or is called the man of sin or is called the beast. Antichrist is just another word that is descriptive of the same evil.
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proplog2
Jermiah:
The 11th chapter of Daniel from verse 5 onwards deals with two kings - the king of the North and the King of the South. There is a long section where the king of the North is referred to simply by pronouns. If you think that interval leaves room for insertion of a third actor you are doing that arbitrarily.
For the sake of parsimony there is nothing prohibiting the "anti-christ" from being a political entity namely the final King of the North.
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*jeremiah*
Almost the entire context of Daniel chapter 11 is prophecy that has already come to pass. Only starting at the end of verse 35, where it says "even to the time of the end", through the end of the chapter do those scriptures refer to prophecy that hasn't been fulfilled.
Sorry but this is going to be a little long,...but let's start with verse 1:
Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him. And now I will show thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia (Dan 11:1-2);
Darius was the king at this time. The three kings that would follow would be Ahasuerus, Artaxerxes, and another Darius. These are in secular history known as Cambyses, pseudo-Smerdis, and Darius or Darius Hystaspes. So there will be three kings that will rise up.
and the fourth will be richer [this is Xerxes] than they all: and by his strength and through his riches he will stir up all against the realm of Grecia (Dan 11:2).
Xerxes was very wealthy, very powerful. And he made an expedition against Greece and was able to defeat, but yet, not conquer Greece. And so that particular part was fulfilled; there were the three kings, Ahasuerus, Artaxerxes, Darius, and then Xerxes the fourth richer than the others made the expedition against Greece.
But then Greece will arise.
And a mighty king [Alexander the Great] shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. And when he shall stand up, his kingdom will be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; but not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those (Dan 11:3-4).
So Alexander the Great will rise up, but when he falls the kingdom will not go to his family, to his posterity, nor will they receive the full extent of his dominion.
For the king of the south shall be strong, and one of his princes; and he shall be strong above, and have dominion; and his dominion shall be a great dominion (Dan 11:5).
The king of the south, and was, of course, the General Ptolemy, who took over in Egypt. General Seleucus took over in Syria. And there also was another general who took over in Greece, and another one who took over in Thracia. So Greece was divided into the four dominions. But he speaks now and he doesn't bring up the Grecian or the Thracian kingdom, but only the Syrian and Egyptian, because they are the ones that relate to Israel. For in their wars, Israel was the middle ground between Syria and Egypt, and so in their fighting each other they had to pass through the land of Israel.
Now he begins to give some interesting details that were all fulfilled in history. "The king of the south will be strong, have a dominion. His dominion shall be a great dominion."
And in the end of the years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter (Dan 11:6)
The king of the north and the king of the south were fighting, but in the end they'll join themselves together.
for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times (Dan 11:6).
Now, what happened is that the king of Egypt gave his daughter, Berenice, to the king of the north, who divorced his wife in order to marry Berenice. But when Ptolemy died, then he got rid of Berenice and took his wife back again, who in turn poisoned him. And she killed also Berenice and her son. Now when Berenice had a son, the former queen, her sons were X'ed out according to the agreement. But when she poisoned her husband and killed Berenice and her sons, then of course her sons were in line again for the throne. And here Daniel tells all of this intrigue and everything else is going to take place. And then the brother of Berenice gathered together an army in Egypt and came up and destroyed this wife, who had poisoned her husband and had killed his sister. So, "and he that is begotten of her," actually is referring to a family member which was her brother. And he strengthened her in these times.
And a branch of her roots [that is, her brother] shall one stand up in his estate, which shall come with an army, and shall enter the fortress of the king of the north, and shall deal against them, and prevail (Dan 11:7):
Who was Ptolemy Euergetes, the brother of Berenice, who invaded Syria just as it's described here.
He shall also carry away captives into Egypt with their gods, and their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north. So the king of the south shall come into his kingdom, and shall return to his own land. But his sons shall be stirred up, and shall assemble a multitude of great forces: and one shall certainly come, and overflow, and pass through (Dan 11:8-10):
That is, his sons, the king of the north, who was defeated by Euergetes. And he will assemble... they will assemble a multitude of great forces. One shall certainly come and overflow and pass through.
then shall he return, and be stirred up, even to his fortress. And the king of the south shall be moved with choler, and shall come forth and fight with him, even with the king of the north: and he shall set forth a great multitude; but the multitude shall be given into his hand. And when he hath taken away the multitude, his heart shall be lifted up; and he shall cast down many ten thousands: but he shall not be strengthened by it (Dan 11:10-12).
This is Philopater, who is the Ptolemy Philopater who was the king of the south at this time. He gathered together a great army. Came against the king of the north, however, though he defeated him and took a lot of loot, the guy did not take full advantage and subjugate the people. He was too interested in the licentious life that he was living in Egypt. And so where it says here, "He will cast down many ten thousands," he did destroy a lot of the army, "but he will not be strengthened by it." He didn't take advantage of it. He just went back and lived a life of luxury and licentiousness in Egypt.
For the king of the north then shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches. And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south (Dan 11:13-14):
So the king of the north came back again, which was Antiochus Megas, known as Antiochus the Great. "But many shall stand up." Philip of Macedon joined with him against Egypt at this point, plus some rebels in Egypt, plus some of the Jews who were called
the robbers of thy people will exalt themselves to establish the vision; and they shall fall. So the king of the north [Antiochus the Great] shall come, and cast up a mount, and take most of the fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand. But he that comes against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed. He shall also set his face to enter with strength of his whole kingdom and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him (Dan 11:14-17).
Now, Euergetes is the king of the south in Egypt. When he took over he was just seven years old. So, he was just at that point a figurehead. But Antiochus the Great took his daughter Cleopatra, and she... he made a deal that she should marry Euergetes. Figuring that when she got there in the kingdom of Egypt she would be for her old man. But when the marriage some years later was made and Cleopatra became the wife of Euergetes, rather than siding with her father, Antiochus the Great, she sided with her own husband against her father. So his little plan backfired. Now Daniel tells about the plan and how it will backfire. If he had only read the Bible, he would have known better than to send his daughter down there. "He shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her, but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him." She won't be for him and if he had only read that he would have known better than to send her down.
Now after this shall he turn his face unto the isles (Dan 11:18),
So not being able to conquer into Egypt, he then turned and began... he gathered a navy of 300 ships and he began to travel in the Mediterranean, beginning to fight actually against Rome, which at this point was beginning to be a power in the ancient world. So he turned his face unto the isles,
and shall take away many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him. And then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found. Then (Dan 11:18-20)
Now what happened, of course, is he was defeated by the Romans and they determined then that they would charge him for all of these wars. And so he was given a sum that he was to pay every year. Well, he and his men went into a temple to take away the treasures and the people of the city were so incensed they killed him. And so he fell; he stumbled and fell.
And there shall stand up in his place [his son, Seleucus Philopater], who would be a raiser of taxes (Dan 11:20)
He tried to raise the taxes to pay this Roman tribute.
in the glory of the kingdom: but within a few days he will be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle (Dan 11:20).
He was poisoned and killed. And after just a very short reign, because the people didn't like the taxes he was trying to exact from them.
And in his estate shall stand up a vile person [Antiochus Epiphanes], to whom they shall not give the honor of the kingdom: and he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries (Dan 11:21).
Now this, Antiochus Epiphanes was a real treacherous person.
And with the arms with a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people. And he shall enter peaceably even on the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and the spoil, and the riches (Dan 11:22-24):
He began to conquer and he did what his fathers did not do, in that they amassed the wealth for themselves, but he began to give away all of the money to all of his generals and those that were with him. So his practice of distributing the loot among the men is here predicted by Daniel. "He shall scatter among them the prey and the spoil and the riches."
yes, and he shall forecast his devices against the strongholds, even for a time. And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him (Dan 11:24-25).
So he came against Egypt with a tremendous army and Egypt met him, but he began to defeat the Egyptians.
Yea, they the feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain. And both these kings' heart shall be to do mischief (Dan 11:26-27),
Now, they were stopped by the Roman government and yet both of them sought to do mischief. And, of course, you read the history and it's interesting--the king of Egypt, his brother was in Alexandria and both of them were doing a lot of lying and cunning and all, and so the kings' heart shall be in them to do mischief.
and they shall speak lies at one table; and shall not prosper (Dan 11:27):
They were just lying to each other making treaties and everything else, which neither of them intended to honor.
for yet at the end shall be the time appointed. Then shall he return unto his land with great riches; his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. And at the time appointed he shall return, and come towards the south (Dan 11:27-29);
So he sought again to invade. Antiochus Epiphanes sought again to invade Egypt.
but it shall not be as the former, or the latter. For the ships of Chittim (Dan 11:29-30)
Actually, when he came this time to Alexandria, the Roman ships were there in the port. And so the Roman general, Popillius Laenas, came to him, and he said, "The Roman senate has ordered you to go home with your troops." And he said, "I will consult with my men and we will send an answer to Rome." And Popillius, the Roman general took his cane and he drew a circle in the sand around him and he said, "Make your decision before you leave that circle." And he was intimidated by the Roman general, and so he said, "I've decided to go home, tell the Roman senate." And so here, this is all predicted here. The Roman navy met him. They were waiting in port at Alexandria when he came. All predicted in advance. Amazing that God would speak in such detail of these things that had not yet transpired.
Now he was angry because he was rebuffed by Rome. And so he was determined to take it out upon the nation of Israel. And on his way back to Syria, he came to Jerusalem and really sought to desecrate the place.
he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate (Dan 11:30-31).
He came back to Jerusalem and polluted the temple. He built an altar, a pagan altar above the altar of God and he offered a pig upon this altar to an idol that they had set up there in the temple of God.
And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits (Dan 11:32).
His desecration of the temple so incensed the people that Judas Maccabaeus gathered together a group of zealots and they began to attack the Syrians in guerrilla type warfare, and they defeated every Syrian contingency that was sent against them. And they finally retook the temple and purified the temple, which period we've just gone through the Feast of Dedication or Hanukkah in the Jewish calendar to celebrate Judas Maccabaeus retaking and rededicating the temple unto God.
So the people that do know their God, Judas Maccabaeus and those Maccabean brothers will be strong and do exploits.
And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and the flame, and by captivity, and by spoil, many days (Dan 11:33).
Both Judas and his brothers were all slain by the sword.
Now when they shall fall, they shall be helped with little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them shall understand and shall fall, and try to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed (Dan 11:34-35).
Now at this point Daniel's prophecy goes out to the end and he sees now the man who is commonly called the antichrist or the son of perdition or is called the man of sin or is called the beast.
And the king shall do according to his will; [the antichrist] he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god; and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper until the indignation (Dan 11:36)
Which is the Old Testament word for the Great Tribulation
shall be accomplished (Dan 11:36):
He will prosper until the Tribulation be accomplished.
for that that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers (Dan 11:36-37),
And so he will obviously be a Jew.
nor the desire of women (Dan 11:37),
Now this "not regarding the desire of women" can have one of two meanings. It was the desire of every Jewish girl to be privileged to bear the Messiah. And Christ was called the desire of nations. But the desire, really, of every young girl--to be chosen to be the mother of the Messiah. Mary was the one that God chose. But the desire of women. That is why so many of the Jewish mothers name their child Joshua. Hoping that God would use him for the salvation of Israel.
So, "the desire of women" would in that sense be a reference to Jesus Christ. So he does not regard the God of his fathers nor Jesus Christ. He is a man who speaks blasphemously,
not regarding any god: for he'll magnify himself above all (Dan 11:37).
There are some that says he'll be a homosexual, not regarding the desire of women. But more apt looking at the context of the Hebrew people, rather than referring to a homosexual, it is probably referring to the fact that he does not regard Jesus Christ.
But his god is the god of forces: a god whom his father knew not shall he honor with gold, and silver, and precious stones, and pleasant things (Dan 11:38).
He will be a leader who spends money on war.
Thus shall he do in the most strongholds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause him to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain (Dan 11:39).
So the land of Israel, he will divide it for gain.
And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and horsemen, many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and overflow and pass over. And he shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these will escape out of his hand, Edom, and Moab, [which is Jordan] and the chief of the children of Ammon (Dan 11:40-41).
So Jordan will not be taken by the antichrist, though Israel will. Interesting, because the Jews will actually flee for protection and it could be that they flee to Jordan at this point, to the rock city of Petra, where they will be preserved by God for three and half years, during the time of the great indignation or the wrath of God which is to be poured out upon the earth.
So Edom or Jordan escapes. However, he moves towards Egypt.
He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape (Dan 11:42).
He will take the land of Egypt.
And he shall have power over the treasures of gold and silver, and over the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be [at his doorsteps or] at his steps. But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with his great fury to destroy, and utterly make away many. And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas and the glorious holy mountain; he shall come to his end, and none shall help him (Dan 11:43-45).
Now this is a reference to the antichrist (man of sin, son of perdition) who will be the leader of some nations or coalitions. Some say he will head the EU, some say he may lead the UN,...and some say he may lead 10 nations or superstates that haven't formed in this day. He shall be moving towards Africa in the conquest of Africa. Taking Egypt, passing through Israel, taking Egypt moving towards Libya and Ethiopia, at which time he will hear of the troops from China and Russia coming against him. So he will turn from his proposed conquest of Africa and come back and they will meet in the Valley of Megiddo there in Israel. The tremendous force of the Chinese for whom the river Euphrates will be dried up in order that they might cross, according to the book of Revelation. Those forces that are remaining in Russia, gathering against the combined forces of Europe, and the United States will no doubt be in league with those forces of Europe at this point. And this final great world war, the major scene of battle, will be the Valley of Megiddo there in Israel. This is what is commonly called the Battle of Armageddon of which you have read and heard so much about. And this, of course, is what will perpetrate this battle, as he is moving against Africa, getting news that Chinese and the Russians have confederated together to come against him. He turns in great anger and the place of the their meeting is the Valley of Megiddo. And it is at that time where the blood will flow to the horses' bridle throughout the whole Valley of Megiddo as the slain of the earth. Millions destroyed in that great carnage and bloodshed.
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proplog2
How do you integrate that with Revelation. How does Babylon the Great fit into your scheme? If you read the thread I suggested I don't see how you can cling to the idea that Babylon the Great is a religious entity. What happens to the USA?
In what sense does the head of the beast appear slaughtered to death. Does the king from the Sunrising have to be China? Does China have to cross the literal Euphrates? Does the literal Euprhates dry up?
Why did Jesus quote the disgusting thing in Daniel as something that had not occurred.
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Mary
It is world in which there is one master, one
sovereign. And at the end of the day this is
pernicious not only for all those within this
system, but also for the sovereign itself because
it destroys itself from within.I wonder if Putin would be making this speech if the USSR were still in place and were the only superpower left on earth. I think George Dubya is an asshole for sure, but Putin is a slimeball too and this just sounds like sour grapes. After all, wasn't it Putin who refused all help from England, the USA and everyone else when that Russian submarine sunk in the Northern Hemosphere several years ago, and instead, let all those men die?
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proplog2
Mary:
Putin is NOT a nice guy. There are very strong suspicions that he was in on the bombing of the apartment complexes in Moscow that were blamed on Chechens and used as a justification for invading Chechnya. The point is that if he bombed his own people to get power who will he be willing to bomb in order to stay in power.
Do a google search on "Ryazan" "hexagen" "FSB"
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*jeremiah*
I'll reply to your other questions later.
But first,...since we have been currently talking about Daniel, I'll briefly answer your question:
Why did Jesus quote the disgusting thing in Daniel as something that had not occurred?
You are right,...Jesus did quote Daniel in Matthew answering the apostle's question "what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" (matt. 24:3)
So Jesus said that there would be a sign of his coming and the end of the age and that sign is: "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' [ b ] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
So that's right,...Jesus is speaking of a future event and we can clearly say that this event hasn't happened yet even in our day.
Here is the breakdown of the Daniel "abomination that causes desolation" scriptures:
Daniel 9:27
He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causesdesolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. "*This has not happened yet. Why? A covenant of seven years hasn't been made and broken yet. Also it says "until the end".
Daniel 11:31
"His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causesdesolation.This is what we just discussed in the previous post. If you read Daniel 11 in context you can see that the above verse refers to Antiochus Epiphanes. This "abomination that causes desolation" has already happened. I won't explain it again,...but you can go back and reread that part above in my last post.
*This is speaking of the same event as chapter 9,...an event that hasn't happened yet. The Jews have not received there allotted inheritance yet at the end of 1335 days.Daniel 12:11"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causesdesolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.In summation, the "abomination that causes desolation" scriptures in Daniel: 2 accounts refer to the end time, or a time yet to come,...1 account refers to a past event.
The "abomination that causes desolation" scriptures in the New Testament refer to a future event or an event that will happen at the end of the age.
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proplog2
Jeremiah:
So, you are saying that absolutely in NO WAY was Jesus referring to Daniel 11:31?
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*jeremiah*
So, you are saying that absolutely in NO WAY was Jesus referring to Daniel 11:31?
IMO Daniel 11:36 shifts from what was fulfilled in the Ptolemies and the Selucids to what will be fulfilled in the Antichrist, the final world dictator. Daniel was told that this revelation pertained to the latter days (Daniel 10:14), and Daniel 11:36 begins to look more towards this final world dictator, who is sort of a "last days Antiochus Epiphanes."
We know that everything about this prophecy was not fulfilled during the career of Antiochus Epiphanes. Jesus specifically said the real abomination of desolation was still in the future (Matthew 24:15). The Apostle Paul paraphrased Daniel 11:36 in reference to the coming Antichrist: Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4)
Antiochus Epiphanes is important, but mostly as a historical preview of the Antichrist. He prefigures the ultimate evil man. Antiochus Epiphanes is the "trailer" released well before the Antichrist, who is like the "feature."
He shall exalt and magnify himself above every god: Antiochus Epiphanes certainly did this in the general sense that all sinners oppose God. Yet he remained loyal to the Greek religious tradition, which revered the entire Olympian pantheon. Antiochus Epiphanes put a statue of Zeus in the temple, not of himself. This will be far more precisely fulfilled in the Antichrist, who sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2 Thessalonians 2:4).
Daniel 11:1-35 speaks of prophecy that has been fulfilled because historically it is quite literal. Look at verse 1:Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him. And now I will show thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persiaand the fourth will be richer than they all: and by his strength and through his riches he will stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
The statement "In the first year of Darius the Mede" gives us historical context for a starting point in understanding the prophecy. Historically, starting with Darius everything else then in Daniel 11 falls into place quite remarkably through and up to Antiochus Epiphanes. So I think Daniel 11:31 is an abomination that Antiochus fulfilled and therefore, I think, the abomination that Jesus was referring to is Daniel 9:27 and Dan 12:11.
In your opinion/ interpretation, verse 5 begins speaking of "the king of the south", or in your opinion the USA,...if that's the case, then these verses are referring to present day or the near future. How does verse 1-4 fit into our modern political/nation climate?
1 And in the first year of Darius the Mede, I took my stand to support and protect him. 2 "Now then, I tell you the truth: Three more kings will appear in Persia, and then a fourth, who will be far richer than all the others. When he has gained power by his wealth, he will stir up everyone against the kingdom of Greece. 3 Then a mighty king will appear, who will rule with great power and do as he pleases. 4 After he has appeared, his empire will be broken up and parceled out toward the four winds of heaven. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the power he exercised, because his empire will be uprooted and given to others.
Based on the above verses who is Darius the Mede of today?...and, can we really say that Greece of today is a powerful kingdom?