Is the USA Government Imperialistic? Is this what leads the invasion of Ira

by frankiespeakin 113 Replies latest social current

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  tetrapod.sapien

  wasn't it erich fromm who described the difference between societies that are dominated by a having approach to existence and those dominated by a being approach? he shows how the societies that are dominated by the having mode of existence will inevitably end up waging war with other nations, since greed (covetousness) is central to their expansion.

  to me, this is why the "war for oil" cultural catchphrase sums it up pretty succinctly for me. because at this point i have pretty much learned not to trust much from the US government's mouths. a removed analysis is then required, and a further understanding of the difference between the having and being modes of existence flowers.

  imperialistic? yes. having nations must have more. simple pathology.

  tetra
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  Merry Magdalene

  tetra

  ~Merry
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  Justice-One

  this is why the "war for oil" cultural catchphrase sums it up pretty succinctly for me.

  Same for me. Except in my case it lets me know that it is a waste of time to dabate with people that believe it to be true.

  I have learned two things on this forum....never argue with crazy people... or Quislings Canadians.
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  frankiespeakin

  Just,

  Except in my case it lets me know that it is a waste of time to dabate with people that believe it to be true.

  It's not a complete waste of time, I rather enjoy your unsucessful efforts at defending the US, it help others to see more clearly just how Imperialistic the US really is, even though it tries to hide behind altruistic motivations.
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  Justice-One

  It's not a complete waste of time, I rather enjoy your unsucessful efforts at defending the US, it help others to see more clearly just how Imperialistic the US really is, even though it tries to hide behind altruistic motivations.

  I too enjoy your posts. It lets people see just how pathetic your average mind numbed socialistic Californian is. BTW, I could not help but notice how you made it sound like the USA was not even YOUR country. Ohh, yeah I forgot....you live in the Free Peoples Democratic Republic of California, so I guess it is not your country.
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  hillary_step

  Justice,

  You are entitled to your own views of course, but do you have to be so bloody boring with it? God, you would put a mob to sleep with your perpetual motion, one track political quips.

  Find a new angle, or better still go dig a seniors garden for them.

  HS
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  tetrapod.sapien

  BTW, I could not help but notice how you made it sound like the USA was not even YOUR country.

  justice,

  if he doesn't want to associate himself with the dominant tribe on the piece of land he resides on, that is perfectly his right to do so. it's like being baptized as an infant as a catholic. it doesn't mean you have to stay one! i feel it is one of the ungranted unalienable rights of modern man thus far. the right to leave your tribe and exist, officially, outside of tribedom in individuality, on a political level.

  it's just a piece of dirt dude. the concept of your possesing the authority to remind people that they are ALSO a member of your tribe (americanoid), is an abstraction in your MIND, and therefore not a supra-valid (holy) representation of anything other than and without your mind. i mean to say, that your next door neighbor should be able to be non american (politically), while you remain american.

  lines on a map. it's a sort of hubris to think that they really exist, isn't it? if you followed the one and only line on a map, that of the coast line, you would find that the entire planet is one large island, with one border, our atmosphere.

  tetra
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  frankiespeakin

  Just,

  BTW, I could not help but notice how you made it sound like the USA was not even YOUR country. Ohh, yeah I forgot....you live in the Free Peoples Democratic Republic of California, so I guess it is not your country.

  Being born on the land mass called North America, in a land claimed by the US government, does not make the USA my country except in the minds and small imaginations of many under the influence and indoctrination of propaganda. To even claim ownership of any part of this earth is purely imaginary, the land of this earth belongs to people and governments as much as it belongs to the earthworms,rabbits, and all the plants and animals that live on a particular peice of it.

  As far as I see it, the US governments is not a government I have chosen to rule over me and the land that I live on, it rules by force, through police action, the military, and IRS.

  While I beleive we humans need to do good to one another, and that moderate compliance with ruling governments is generally good. I also beleive extreme patriotism to be a blight on the human condition, that is responsible for much of the worlds conflicts that cause so much suffering.

  This taken for granted idea that one belongs to the governmental authority that rules over a particular land area where one was born or now resides, and that one needs to be supportive of that government even when it is oppressive, wrong or has goals that are contrary to peaceful coexistance with other members of the human race, is an idea that needs to be disguarded in my estimation.
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  Brother Apostate

  There is something incredibly disingenuous, even cowardly, about living in a nation that is the dominant world power or its allies and not sharing in it's guilt as well as it's triumphs:

  Guilt: Some here are so quick to point out (correctly) that the US, or any other government has no moral right to claim lands, and enforce rules, wage wars, etc. Yet that is the way humans are; if the US were not the world power waging war and inflicting wage slavery on it's "citizens" and other countries as well, another nation would take its place. And who is to say what disasters that nation would wreak?

  Triumph: On the other hand, the citizens of the US and most of the Western world by association, enjoy a materialistic standard of living, a sense of security, that has rarely if ever been matched in history.

  The two play off of each other- sadly. To allow more liberty to other nations, without controls on those other nations, means they potentially become threats to the dominant world power. Politics/Goverments/World economics/War is ugly but neccesary business.

  All of us who live in prosperous western countries share the standard of living we have only because other nations are denied the same standard. We're all guilty by extension.

  Wanna bad mouth the country you live in? Then perhaps you should consider the alternative- move to the third world and in time you'll find enough to complain about there as well.

  This "world" ain't perfect- it is what it is.

  Pick your poison.
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  restrangled

  Frankie Is this the same position that you held as a JW?

  Being born on the land mass called North America, in a land claimed by the US government, does not make the USA my country except in the minds and small imaginations of many under the influence and indoctrination of propaganda. To even claim ownership of any part of this earth is purely imaginary, the land of this earth belongs to people and governments as much as it belongs to the earthworms,rabbits, and all the plants and animals that live on a particular peice of it. Translation: JW's are no part of this world (even though they are)

  As far as I see it, the US governments is not a government I have chosen to rule over me and the land that I live on, it rules by force, through police action, the military, and IRS. Pay onto Casear, keep the rest. Do the bare minimum.

  While I beleive we humans need to do good to one another, and that moderate compliance with ruling governments is generally good. I also beleive extreme patriotism to be a blight on the human condition, that is responsible for much of the worlds conflicts that cause so much suffering. People who take pride in their country are idiots

  This taken for granted idea that one belongs to the governmental authority that rules over a particular land area where one was born or now resides, and that one needs to be supportive of that government even when it is oppressive, wrong or has goals that are contrary to peaceful coexistance with other members of the human race, is an idea that needs to be disguarded in my estimation. I wont take any action, like vote or participate, I'll just talk down to you.

  r's hubby