Is the USA Government Imperialistic? Is this what leads the invasion of Ira

by frankiespeakin 113 Replies latest social current

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  frankiespeakin

  Rs,

  95% disagree. Its OK to protest. Burning draft cards and burning flags is not the same as protesting. Protesting is legal and constitutional. Burning draft cards and burning flags is illegal and cowardly. I suspect that those burning draft cards and flags are cowards

  I wouldn't exactly call them cowards, It takes a lot of guts to burn your draft card back in the 60's & 70's. I think a person can be a patriot and commit acts that are illegal, like burning a flag or draft card, or not paying taxes that he feels are unjust. It would just have to be for patriotic reasons. It is a pretty powerful statement to those who make up the government that you will not go along with thier policy, even if it means incarceration.

  . My mother pleaded with my older brother to go to Canada during Vietnam, he would not. Even though he opposed the war, he felt an obligation as an American to go. He felt that his skipping out, only meant someone else would have to take his spot. He was saving his own skin and sentencing another. You go out and protest to your hearts content, but if you are called, then you serve.

  What if you feel the reasons for going to war are wrong? Could a person still be patriotic and not go when he is drafted to go? I think he could, I would never let any government direct me who to kill. I do not grant any government the power to tell me that, in fact I would always encourage any one to never let a government have that much control over them. To me that is the blind type of patriotism, the extreme form that has no virtue.
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  Jourles

  You'd probably get your ass kicked for being a disrespectful, attention seeker whose sole motivation was to show off and show how "special" they were, while accomplishing absolutely nothing.

  Even so, it still would be well within an American's right to do such if they felt it was warranted. And there is nothing the government could do about it. The way you worded your statement tells me that is how you view all flag burners. It seems you would also be the type of person who would ignore anything they had to say - even if it was highly warranted on their part. People who literally have a limited view, such as what you described, are the ones who are quick to paint these people as anti-whatever-is-being-espoused-by-the-government-at-the-present-time. It is the people who prefer to close their mind to what is happening around them and listen to only one source, or sources that are driven by a single ideal, are the the ones we should be afraid of.
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  restrangled

  I would exactly call them cowards, It takes a lot of guts to burn your draft card back in the 60's & 70's. I think a person can be a patriot and commit acts that are illegal, like burning a flag or draft card, or not paying taxes that he feels are unjust. It would just have to be for patriotic reasons. It is a pretty powerful statement to those who make up the government that you will not go along with thier policy, even if it means incarceration.

  The draft card and flag burners were cowards who were afraid that they would go to war. Mostly white, mostly educated, and when it got close to them, they ran the other way. The guy who doesn't pay tax, does it because he is greedy and doesn't want to pay his fair share. I have a neighbor like this who spent the last three years in jail while is family struggled to get by in his absence. He shirked his responsibilities.

  What if you feel the reasons for going to war are wrong? Could a person still be patriotic and not go when he is drafted to go? I think he could, I would never let any government direct me who to kill. I do not grant any government the power to tell me that, in fact I would always encourage any one to never let a government have that much control over them. To me that is the blind type of patriotism, the extreme form that has no virtue.

  Yes, I think you can be a contientious objector and serve time in prison, get out and go on.

  On your last line, I don't think people who serve their country, do so simply to appear "virtuous" or argue that they are "virtuous". They serve because they believe it is their duty. What anyone labels that is immaterial.
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  restrangled

  Even so, it still would be well within an American's right to do such if they felt it was warranted. And there is nothing the government could do about it. The way you worded your statement tells me that is how you view all flag burners. It seems you would also be the type of person who would ignore anything they had to say - even if it was highly warranted on their part. People who literally have a limited view, such as what you described, are the ones who are quick to paint these people as anti-whatever-is-being-espoused-by-the-government-at-the-present-time. It is the people who prefer to close their mind to what is happening around them and listen to only one source, or sources that are driven by a single ideal, are the the ones we should be afraid of.

  I grew up in one of the most liberal religions that exists, Uniterian Universalist. My mom opened her house in suburban Chicago to about twenty "protesters" during the 1968 Democratic National Convention. I voted for Clinton. I also voted for Reagan. I have seen in person, the ultra left espousing their ideas for the better part of 30 years.

  I am allowed to have an opinion on flag burners. It doesn't make me anything. It makes you narrow minded to make assumptions about me.

  My biggest arguement with the so called "liberals" is that they do nothing. They burn flags, while Justice-One votes.

  They blow off Wesley Clark as a candidate who ran the NATO forces in Bosnia and was against going into Iraq, in favor of a typical lame candidate.

  What does flag burning do? Nothing. What does supporting the proper candidate and voting do? Everything

  r's hubby
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  frankiespeakin

  Rs'

  Yes, I think you can be a contientious objector and serve time in prison, get out and go on.

  On your last line, I don't think people who serve their country, do so simply to appear "virtuous" or argue that they are "virtuous". They serve because they believe it is their duty. What anyone labels that is immaterial.

  So following that line of logic, all persons should go when called to fight for their country, simply because it is a duty, and if not just hand himself over like a sheep to suffer unjust inprisionment. That type of patriotism reasoning then makes all soldiers doing what right on both side of the battle line, because they are doing thier duty, which is to fight for their respective countries reguardless of if you agree with what your country is fighting for. That sounds more like blind patriotism to me and my country right or wrong.

  I sincerely think this world would be a better place without that type of patriotism, as it lets who ever is ruling start any war without any justification, because everybody is just doing thier patriotic chores, by being brain dead and letting the government that currantly has control of the land he was born in tell him who to kill, with all moral judgement given up to the government. I think we as humans need to grow out of this type of mentality and start realizing we need to think for ourselves and not let government dictate to us what is right and wrong. The more people that do this the less bad deeds governments will be able to get away with.

  With the type of mentality you are suggesting, I wonder if you would have supported the original 13 colonies to revolt from England? After all they were the ruling government in 1776.
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  Justice-One

  You are entitled to your own views of course, but do you have to be so bloody boring with it? God, you would put a mob to sleep with your perpetual motion, one track political quips.

  Try these on, they are as good today as when they were first uttered.....

  Better dead than red.

  Get us out of the U.N.

  Don't fluoridate our water.

  And here are a few more...new, but even better....

  Liberalism is a mental disorder

  and of course it would not be complete without....

  Rush is RIGHT!
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  Justice-One

  if he doesn't want to associate himself with the dominant tribe on the piece of land he resides on, that is perfectly his right to do so. it's like being baptized as an infant as a catholic. it doesn't mean you have to stay one! i feel it is one of the ungranted unalienable rights of modern man thus far. the right to leave your tribe and exist, officially, outside of tribedom in individuality, on a political level.

  Your canadian (small c on purpose) so of course I understand how you wish you were an American.
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  Justice-One

  Why is this so wrong? If you steal, rape, murder, etc., you know what the punishment will be. One of the greatest allies to the USA practices this form of punishment. Why doesn't the USA reprimand Saudi Arabia for this act? We have the death penalty here in the USA as well. Does it matter how the form of punishment is carried out? Personally, I would much rather have my head lopped off over getting fried in the electric chair. Does it matter if it is aired on tv? SA does it out in public after prayers. Again, the USA just looks the other way -- and maybe you should too if you don't agree with your government's policies.

  Wow.

  So let me just make sure I understand you lefties....the USA is a terrorist nation right?
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  restrangled

  So following that line of logic, all persons should go when called to fight for their country, simply because it is a duty, and if not just hand himself over like a sheep to suffer unjust inprisionment.

  No, following that line of reasoning, all the flag burners can continue to do what they do best, which is nothing. All the contientious objectors can object to their hearts delight with no reprise of any kind, and those who are willing to serve will do so. It is an all volunteer army. You don't have to do anything, including voting.

  r's hubby
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  5go

  Liberalism is a mental disorder

  So now I got you saying us liberty minded people are a mentally disabled.

  I wonder what Jefferson and Washington would say about that.

  Libertarians unite !