Is speaking in tongues for Christians today, and what is it?

by jwfacts 25 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • barry
    barry

    Gday again jwfacts,

    Im not an Ellen White fan I think I may have one of her books and that was given to me.

    It is widely known even in Adventist circles Ellen White plagurised from other writers most of which she claimed to write. In some ways this was a blessing because the result was that Adventism remained with the basic doctrins of the christian church because of the plagurism of other christian writers

    I remember a few years ago at an afternoon meeting by a high church official who was trying his best to put a good word in for Ellen White. The meeting was being recorded and when I piped up with some negative opinions of Ellen White and her ministry all hell broke loose. 'Stop the recording ', he yelled and then he went to advise me to talk to my minister.

    Ellen white did have an ability to hold the church together during its formative years and at the same time not become a cult leader as Josheph Smith has become in the Mormon Church. Her theme allways was to uphold Christ.at the same time She has made serious errors in judgement. Barry

  • Crumpet
    Crumpet

    Me and my girlfriend speak in tongues, but only with one another.

    We're monogamous.

    BA- Likes speaking in tongues.

    PS- Speaking in eyes is nice too.

    Very good answer Brother Apostate! I've not heard of this thing about Sunday's being made sacred. What is the definition of sacred? My Sunday's are already.

  • Pubsinger
    Pubsinger

    I agree with Nark too.

    In answer to the question, I think it's for some Christians, those who've been given that gift.

    I belive that it is primarily a personal gift. I don't believe that a Christian who hasn't been given this gift should feel lacking or inferior.

    I do believe that it is both mis-used and abused by some, and faked by others.

    I wouldn't take the use of tongues by someone as any proof of faith, validity of belief or reason to follow and would be very cautious about anyone who attempted to use the gift in that way.

    However I wouldn't reject anyone or their beliefs/suggestions simply because they claimed to have the gift of tongues either.

    I personally don't have the gift. I know many people who do and my relationship with them is such that I trust them. I also know people who I doubt a bit (but that may be precisely because I don't know them very well) and I've seen those on TV (like the guy someone posted a picture of) who I'm sure is faking it (but hey I don't know him either!)

    My research led me to exactly the same conclusions biblically as Nark, including the difference between tongues in Acts and tongues in Corinthians.

  • Mrs Smith
    Mrs Smith

    1 Cor 14:28 reads " But if no one is present who can interpret, they must be silent in your church meeting and speak in tongues to God privately." It's very clear that even if someone is speaking in a language no one else understands that they are speaking to God privately. The scripture doesn't say that if no one interprets that it's false or fake. I don't think it's something we can do at will rather it's a gift given to some, something that should be done privately and not for public display.

  • Mad
    Mad

    Unbelievable! All those claims, yet no acknowledging the FOUNDATION of the Gifts of the Spirit! Think that you have them, but if you do not know the True God and salvation thru His Son, then the powers you may have come from an ENTIRELY different source! Mad

  • wozadummy
    wozadummy

    When I read Acts ch2 it reads that it was an event orchestrated by God thru his holy spirit to demonstrate his approval of this select group of people. The tongues spoken of are plainly the ability to speak the said languages of the people that were in attendance as a witness to them that ordinary folk who could not normally speak the languages of the foreign Jews and proselytes ,could now by gods gift do this to the amazement of some in attendance ,and yet some just thought they were drunk because they just simply did not understand the languages being expressed or the message being given by the people given the gift on that occasion, or the exuberance expressed by such a miraculous gift not before seen.

    After all what were the things spoken of ,and why is it later spoken of as not wise to speak in this manner unless someone was there to interpret. Ones who claimed to have this gift that I have spoken to over the years put more emphasis on the languages used are the languges of angells ,but when shown Acts they go into diversion mode when confronted by the actual scripture quoting the languges spoken at Pentacost.

    I've known many ,and was told by them that many who claimed to have this gift today,including themselves actually did drugs ,fornicated etc- when challenged about this they would go into cognitive dissonance mode not unlike JW's when challenged about the crap they believe from their own literature which proves to be false.

    My ex-wife one day in field service with a group was confronted by a man using a "tongue" in the street ,when she challenged him to explain what the said it was the usual language of angells stuff ,but then she asked where is your interpretter to benefit the group from what he just uttered. He said he did'nt have anyone ,so she asked him then whether he made the mistake or the Holy spirit? If he made the mistake then how then was he able to speak in the language of angells?

    That's the way to cut thru the Pentecostal bullshit!

    As regards the timing of the gifts and how long they should last I would venture to say they only lasted as long as the contemporary people of the Pentecost time lived in the sense that the end of the Jewish system finished in a physical sense by the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Seems reasonable to me to conclude then that the gift of tongues had run it's course by that time ,achieving what it was meant to ,the physical evidence that gods spirit had shifted to the christian congo.

    I'm here only using the reasoning available from the bible and real world experiences ,not searching the internet with what this or that scholar from this or that century says.

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