by Fred E Hathaway 213 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
They taught then that the light would get brighter, and it still is.
I suppose that you've asked the questions to those in the Organization, and not been satisfied with the answer. How would asking outside (to Interested Persons, such as myself) help? I have less resources than you (apparently) with respect to your questions.
If you are indeed correct as to your statements, then who today matches the Scriptural description of the FDS?
There is only One True God, Jehovah, regardless of whom he and his Son allow as elders (whatever their position in the hierarchy). Whatever anyone says, I try to look past that to what Jehovah is showing me.
To be discreet, according to the Scriptures is to keep things hidden from the proud, and reveal things to the humble, right?
Wrong. The Bible is translated into English. If the translators do a good job they use English words that most closely match the meaning or convey the sense of the original text. Reinterpreting words into different meanings than the dictionary uses is the watchword of cults, not translators.
You will be hard pressed to show me a Scriptural definition of discretion; only some examples of behaviors which would be characteristic of a discreet person.
To be discreet means ... wait, didn't I already cite the definition of "discreet" in a thread that discussed the FDS? Besides, this is a discussion about the wise virgins and is only incidentally about the FDS because the WTS says the two groups are equivalent between the years 1874 and 1914.
Main Entry: dis·creet
Function: adjective
1 : having or showing discernment or good judgment in conduct and especially in speech : PRUDENT; especially : capable of preserving prudent silence
2 : UNPRETENTIOUS, MODEST <the warmth and discreet elegance of a civilized home -- Joseph Wechsberg>
3 : UNOBTRUSIVE, UNNOTICEABLE <followed at a discreet distance>
Having announced Christ's presence as over and done with some 40 years too soon and having announced themselves as God's grand emmissaries of this news to all the world was the very opposite of discretion. Small wonder they prefer a different definition of the word than that allowed by English dictionaries.
I wonder ... you almost make me hope that you might see it.
—AuldSoul
This now looks like you want a debate about words. This will serve no useful purpose.
There is only One True God, Jehovah, regardless of whom he and his Son allow as elders (whatever their position in the hierarchy). Whatever anyone says, I try to look past that to what Jehovah is showing me.
Only one true God? Is Jesus a God? If so, is he a false God? Satan is a false one. All the other idols are false ones. Is Jesus a true God or a false one? (Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1)
1 Corinthians 11:3 shows headship, right? Where in the list are the elders over men? Who is over men?
I think you are looking past what Jehovah is showing you so that you can hang on to false hopes. I am certain you can neither explain your hope that Christ is using the FDS nor can you defend your hope in their leadership.
—AuldSoul
Sure it does!!! Satans tool (the wtbts) always tries to backup it's apostacy using words. Cept they can't (like you) defend themselves when the 'truth' is revealed.
Fred,
You are being doltish. I asked you 3 questions, you didn't answer me. You asked me about the meaning of a word, of course I will discuss the word you asked me about. I am not going to debate you over the word. The dictionary defines the word, not you and not the WTS. The Bible doesn't even attempt to define the word.
"Discreet" means what it means. You provided a meaning that was factually in error and asked whether your definition was correct. It was not. I provided a correct definition for the word. There is no debate with me over the word, if you think it is wrong take it up with the people at MW and OE.
Now, can you answer my questions instead of sidetracking to whatever strikes your whim at a given second or will you prove to be the standard brain-dead JW acolyte that can only answer questions directly if the questions allow for the mindless parroting of JW dogma in response?
—AuldSoul
or will you prove to be the standard brain-dead JW acolyte that can only answer questions directly if the questions allow for the mindless parroting of JW dogma in response?
Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
The trapper tries again. But there are various contexts to the word God. Since Jesus was modest, he gave the credit to Jehovah at John 17:3. Isaiah is contrasting Mighty with Almighty. And John is stating that Jesus reflected Jehovah's position on things. All three make the same point, regarding position, rather than trueness. The only thing false about calling Jesus God is in the aspect of First Cause. Jesus was Created by Jehovah according to both Paul and John (2 witnesses). So Jesus must not be worshipped as the Source of anything, because anything Jesus has had was given to Jesus by Jehovah.
As you know, elders are not in the list at 1 Corinthians 11:3. Christ is over men, as the head of the Congregation.
What false hope do you think I entertain?
I don't "hope" that Christ is using the FDS, I have "faith" that Christ is using the FDS.
Scripturally speaking, Fred, hope is the anchor of faith.
I wasn't trying to trap you. I was trying to get you to think, which is proving infinitely harder in your case than would be simply trapping you.
The reason answering these questions for yourself is so vital especially as it relates to the identification of the discreet slave is because: the character of the servant chosen (as related in Matthew 24:45-47) was evident at the time of choosing not at some later date.
At the time of choosing (1918/19, according to current JW dogma) those now identified as having been the FDS were not discreet in the slightest. Far from it. They were anything but discreet; they were marked by imprudence in nearly every respect.
—AuldSoul
